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Improving cycling fitness

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ShinyHatStand · 23/02/2021 22:02

Hi
I've cycled for fun with my teens and for commuting for many years but not really thought too much about cycling from a fitness point of view.
But I was very ill last year and for the past 4 months have been focused on using cycling to regain my fitness. Things have been going really well but I feel like my fitness is plateauing. And my work hours are about to jump up which will mean much less time on the bike.

So how do I make best use of my time from a fitness point of view?
Let's say I can get out on average for 2-3 shortish (1 hour) rides and 1 longer ride at the weekend (2-3 hours). How should I use that time?

At the moment I average about 14mph over a whole ride and my max distance is about 40 miles.
Assume I know nothing about fitness plans 😀

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Quadzilla · 23/02/2021 22:04

Hi, do you live in a flat or hilly area?

lljkk · 23/02/2021 22:06

Plateau doesn't have to be a bad thing.
Mixing it up is supposed to be good.

You could do
Monday & Weds: 1 hard ride for an hour (push yourself hard)
Thurs: 1 easy ride for 1 hr
Saturday : longer ride at pace how you feel.

ShinyHatStand · 23/02/2021 22:10

Mostly flat with hills in one direction that are not exactly huge

Max elevation gain recently is 1400ft over about 27 miles
But if I'm only going out for an hour it tends to be on the flat.

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ShinyHatStand · 23/02/2021 22:11

I keep hearing about interval training. Is this something I should be doing?

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lljkk · 23/02/2021 22:13

You could try interval training, sure. It takes a lot of self-discipline -- sounds like you have.

Do you have goals, how would you measure them?

WeAreJackieWeaver · 23/02/2021 22:18

Adding more hills into your cycling would certainly help and interval training like PP said.
There’s some good training plans on the British Cycling website if you fancy something structured otherwise I’d start with hillier rides, and start using Strava or a similar app which you can use to challenge yourself over segments.

ShinyHatStand · 23/02/2021 22:28

I already use strava. I'm a bit obsessed 😀
I find segment goals tricky as I've done all the routes round here so often that I only tend to get pbs if I get lucky with a tailwind.

What sort of timing ratios should I be aiming for with interval training?

You're right about hills, I need to get back to them. I've avoided the hilly areas while the weather has been bad as the road surfaces round there has been awful with flooding etc. And I have to cross a scary A road to get to the hills.

My goals are basically health related. No intention of racing. But I need short term goals to keep me motivated.

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MrsAvocet · 24/02/2021 00:17

Plateaus are normal, especially if you are coming back from illness as you will have been improving at a fast but unsustainable rate at first. I can empathise as I've recently got back on the bike after a long break due to illness/injury. It's been difficult as I'm a kids' cycling coach, my son races quite seriously and a lot of my social life is cycling related. So when I started back and was improving quite fast I was really excited that I would be back to normal in no time. But it hasn't stayed at that rate of course. Some degree of acceptance is important, and setting realistic goals and time frames.
Much as I personally hate it, turbo trainer sessions are good for fitness. There are loads of good sessions online or you can download from the British Cycling website. I really hate indoor training and see it as an absolute last resort if I can't get out, but there's no doubt that it has its place and most serious cyclists that I know consider it integral to their training.
You don't necessarily need to do very long rides to get fit. Short tough rides are often better for fitness than long, gentler ones. My son's coach actually tells him off if he does too many "junk miles". That said, there's definitely something very satisfying about long rides and there's a definite sense of achievement from reaching a particular distance, so you could work towards a distance target at weekends and concentrate on short sharp rides/indoor sessions in the week maybe?
It's a bit tricky at the moment of course but as things return to normal you could join a club and do some group rides. Bigger clubs tend to have several groups based on average speeds so you don't get people getting left behind or disappearing off on their own. You'll pick up useful tips, find some new routes and hopefully friends. Riding with someone who is a bit better than yourself and will push you but not leave you for dead can be a great way to improve.
Another possibility as time goes on would be to sign up for a sportive or similar and train specifically for that. Having a challenge coming up on a specific date really focuses the mind.
My last suggestion is getting a coach. Nowadays there are lots of online coaches and prices vary hugely. I use a newish company called Spok'd and it's only £9.99 a month. It's largely algorithm driven so you don't get the one to one relationship like with a personal trainer but it generates a weekly programme for you based on your personal circumstances and goals, and automatically adjusts it depending on your performance the week before. It's massively cheaper than a personal trainer and I've found it quite effective.

ShinyHatStand · 24/02/2021 08:26

Thanks @MrsAvocet that's hugely helpful.

I loathe indoor cycling and I think that for me fun is more important than fitness in that if I stop enjoying it I'll lose motivation.
But the idea of junk miles is interesting. Maybe I need a balanced of short short weekday rides where I really push myself, at least for segments along the way, and then longer more enjoyable junk rides at the weekend to keep it fun.
Not sure about clubs. All the local cyclists I know are in a triathlon club which is a non starter for me as I can't run. I'd have to go a fair distance for a pure cycling club. And I'm an antisocial bugger 😀

You've all reinforced the idea that goals are key. So far during recovery all my goals have been time based - spent x hours per week on the bike and watch my speed increase. I think I now need more specific distance/elevation goals.

Thanks all. You've been very generous with your time helping me think this through.

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MrsAvocet · 24/02/2021 13:09

I'm with you on the indoor training Shiny. I have forced myself to do some this year as my injured leg was like a bit of partly cooked spaghetti to start with and I just wasn't strong or stable enough to ride outdoors til I'd built some muscle back up. But I hated every second. For me, the pleasure of cycling is very much about being outdoors and riding to somewhere. I can't get excited about the sort of metrics my son and his friends focus on though I do understand why they are.

If there isn't a club nearby, do you have any friends who ride with you, and if not, could you find anyone. I do enjoy riding alone because I like the peace and the headspace it gives me, but I find it quite easy to let myself off the hook so to soeak when I'm riding alone. If the weather is bad or I'm just not feeling it on a day when I'd planned a solo ride, but if I've arranged something with another person I always go. Likewise if I'm alone and I come to a junction where I could take the hilly way or the flat way, I'm more likely to tackle the hill with a friend. Plus you see and chat about things that other people do and get new ideas - and they learn from you too. I find it easy to get a bit stuck in a rut if I always ride alone. I am an introvert and going along to my first group ride was a huge thing for me. I really didn't want to do it but I knew that I needed other people to help me improve. But it did have huge benefits for me so I'd encourage you not to totally rule it out.

noodlmcdoodl · 24/02/2021 13:33

I’m trying to avoid duplicating the excellent advice already given. But picking up on the goal thing. Obviously there’s the sportive type route already mentioned. You might want to consider time trialling or cyclo cross racing or even BOTH. I suspect the danger of having just one event to aim for like a sportive, could cause you to hang up your wheels after and undo all your hard work. Unless you are particularly motivated or have a number of sportives lined up. Sportives are also pretty expensive comparatively. Whereas having a series of regular events to participate in would maintain the impetus and enthusiasm. You’ll be able to see real tangible, quantifiable gains. Cycling is one of those sports you just keep chipping away at. It never gets easier you just go quicker!!

Both time-trialling and cyclo cross are blooming marvellous. They are both very accessible, in the case of testing super cheap and both disciplines are incredibly friendly. Best of all perhaps is that they are perfect for any level of cyclist, unlike some other disciplines like road racing where if you haven’t got the fitness = BOOM straight out the back and race over. If you have children and they’re up for it, you could easily turn it into a family passtime!!

Time trialling is a race against the clock over a set pre-defined distance/ course. Most cycling clubs will run their own events most weeks from April - March. They are advertised through your local club - you can find your local club through the British Cycling website. These tend to be ‘closed’ events open to club members only. With my club you can join the club for a few quid, buy a TT pass for £20 which gives you ‘free’ access to all their own TT’s (3 per weeks) OR you can PAYG. Entry is £1 per event if PAYG. Sign up on the line. They have a league and other competitions like a club 10 championships annually. Anyway. You can watch your times improve and compare yourself to others (if you do wish). We get all abilities turning up, from the local pros to youth riders, to 70/80 year olds. All shapes and sizes. All abilities. All sorts of bikes!! I’ve turned up to race on my heavy winter bike, with rack, mudguards, etc. Nobody cares. I’ve also turned up in a skinsuit, TT helmet and best bike (I don’t own a TT bike). There’s a ‘sport’ category for those not on TT bikes.

Cycling Time-Trials (the national governing body) also list hundreds of events. Take a peak on their website and you’ll likely find local ones and it’ll explain how to enter. Again very cheap! As a rule of thumb if I can’t ride to it from home or work to the start/finish I won’t do it. That’s how many local events there are.

In terms of cyclo cross. You’ll have a local league. It’s raced from September - Jan/ Feb. On a Saturday or Sunday. Check out British Cycling and Cyclo Cross. You’ll race on a set out off road circuit which you ride as many laps of in a given time (usually an hour). There’ll likely be obstacles to negotiate like planks to jump over or sand to ride through. Don’t worry about this!! The bigger leagues have separate kids, women’s, youth, vet men and senior men’s races. Because you are riding off road (races are usually held on school playing fields or at country parks) and it’s an autumn / winter discipline courses tend to be muddy. So it’s an awesome way of improving your bike handling skills and confidence all directly transferable to your road riding. When I started I couldn’t mount/ dismount quickly, I practiced a lot and now I can leap on and off during the race to negotiate the planks and other obstacles. Because it’s such a friendly open to all discipline there’ll always be others with minimal skills, but it really isn’t an issue. Again this is the beauty of cyclo cross racing, it’s for all. You’ll get pros and the very serious show up down to complete beginners. I did my first ever races on a hybrid!! Now I have two specific cyclo cross bikes. But they were a worthy investment as it’s my ‘hobby.’ Again you see all ages, shapes and sizes, fitness abilities and types of bike there. The only downside is because of its popularity it’s become quite expensive. Although that’s more my local league - others are cheaper and more relaxed. So I have to be a league member (cost involved - although I get free membership through my club), then I have to pre-enter and pay in advance for races. It’s normally about 15 per race 😫 and annoying if you come down with a cold or something as there’s no refund. You used to be able to just enter on the line. Other leagues are much smaller though and don’t have this policy of pre-entry only. I guess if you enter a sportive (never done one!) you have to cough up a large sum in advance with no refund. If you turn out to be really good at cross, there’s prize money. Not enough to retire on but I’ve covered my race entry and diesel.

I love the camaraderie and community with both disciplines and I too am an anti-social bugger! Typical cyclist really. I like to ride in a big bunch, but not really say anything and love spending hours flogging myself on my own on the road.

Having a coach is definitely a good idea if you want to maximise the time to train you have available and you have a specific goal eg a sportive, or a cross season. Goals can be anything vague or specific eg you want to knock out a century (100miles) on your own this summer or knock 2 mins off your Personal Best on a particular TT course. I don’t think it’s remotely necessary for just riding for pleasure though. It depends on the type of person you are, but riding to a plan can utterly suck the fun and enjoyment out of riding a bike. It can also be an added source of stress in your life as you aren’t ‘switching off’ whilst you ride, but trying to constantly ride at a particular intensity. That really depends on your personality and reasons for cycling though!!

One thing to really remember with cycling is that no matter what discipline you do, it’s predominantly an endurance sport. So the vast majority of your riding tends to be (or should be!!) at a fairly steady pace. Building cycling fitness is like building a pyramid or house. You need super deep, wide, strong foundations (lots of long steady rides) in order to then start going quicker (building the rest of it). Prior to having DS I road raced for several years - I spent the majority of the winter doing long steady paced rides. I didn’t start doing harder paced work until February ish. I didn’t do my speed work until March/ April just before I started my first race of the season. Throughout the season the bulk of my riding was at this steady endurance pace or ‘zone 2’ (based on heart rate zones).

Happy peddling.

ShinyHatStand · 24/02/2021 18:09

@noodlmcdoodl thank so much for all that advice. Very very kind of you to share your knowledge.
I have lots of food for thought. Mainly that I need to clarify what I want to get out of this.

Today I had a lovely fun cycle. Shortish ride to a place with lovely walks where I ambled about for a few hours before cycling home. Reminded me that cycling is as much about mental health for me as fitness. I need to make sure that I keep enjoying it.

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Victoria0001 · 20/11/2021 14:00

Hi
I have twin 3 and a half year olds. I’d like to know which bikes to buy them for Christmas. They enjoy their balance bikes but have now outgrown them. Do I buy them bigger balance bikes (albeit with a limited age range) or buy them a first pedal bike and perhaps take the pedals off for now? Thoughts please

WhiskeryWoman · 20/11/2021 16:15

Straight to peddle bikes and keep the peddles on. DS was a few months older than 3 when he transitioned. A bit of a wobble and he was off. There’s nothing remotely special about him, he’d just been balance biking a lot so had the feel for it. You’ll be surprised how they just get on with it. His first bike had 14” wheels. You want the lightest you can afford - Isla, frog, woom, hoy, vitus and wiggins are all brands worth considering… as they are light and designed for little ones with decent components. You can pick them all up secondhand. If you buy new the resale value is good. I sold the Woom on for more than I paid for it. Warning - they’ll grow out of them quickly! The 14” lasted about 10 months. We’ve skipped the next size up and went straight to a 20” wheel with gears.

Charliesgotachocolatefactory · 20/11/2021 16:25

The one thing that has made a huge difference for me is a HIIT class once a week and focusing on pushing myself to my absolute limit for the hour. I suddenly started beating PBs on segments all over the place. I’ve not got enough self-discipline to do interval training on my own on the bike!

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