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Very light stepthrough eBke - possibly Islabike?

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KatyMac · 05/11/2020 20:59

Everyone keeps telling me I can't have a lightweight stepthrough eBike - I have found this & this

Neither are really powerful enough for me as I have a disability but it shows they do exist! Ideally I'd like to pull a trailer occasionally

Does anyone have either of them? Or another lightweight step through eBike?

I may have to have a bike built - does anyone recommend an engineer for me?

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KatyMac · 06/11/2020 21:03

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MrsAvocet · 07/11/2020 00:33

I've been looking for ideas for you but I'm afraid I'm beaten. Plenty of step through frames. Plenty of ebikes with high torque motors. Plenty of fairly light ebikes. But all 3 together.....that's difficult.
The higher torque motors tend to be fitted to e mountain bikes, and city bikes in general have lower torque, because that's what most people want I suppose.
I did find this on the Wisper bikes website. They claim a whopping 100Nm of torque from their mid drive motor so it should be really easy to ride, and its got front suspension so would manage a bit of light off roading. Unfortunately it's a bit of a monster weight wise though.
wisperbikes.com/shop/e-bikes/step-through-ebikes/wayfarer-mid-drive-step-through-city/
You could get a regular bike converted to an Ebike though that might work out heavier than the bikes you've shown. But it could give you more choice over the motor. I contemplated getting one of my normal bikes converted when I was struggling to find an ebike that I liked but didn't really explore the idea as I then found something. So I don't know a great deal about the conversion kits sorry. But its definitely possible to get done and it would probably be easier and cheaper than getting a bike built from scratch. The only companies I know that build from scratch do very high end bespoke road bikes so I don't think they'd be much use, but quite a lot of places do conversions.
Sorry, I know that's not much help, but I hope you find something soon.

KatyMac · 07/11/2020 00:47

Yes I think building is the way to go, my brother is so pissed off if it wasn't for covid he would sort something out for me and get an engineer to do the motor - he is a bike engineer in Sweden but doesn't do electric bugger

I wondered about getting the none electric version and putting a better motor on - I think you can still have a throttle on a retro fit.....

I need an engineer dont I?

That one looked lovely, but HOW heavy!!! Mine is only 24 and I cant deal with that! I think maybe 16 would be ok 8kgs lighter would be noticeable I reckon

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MoreLikeThis · 07/11/2020 10:03

My evoke is 24K too and whilst I love it it's definitely too heavy. It's a shame as I had really researched it. It rides nicely but I'd have much preferred a lighter bike.

KatyMac · 07/11/2020 10:42

The line is "only expensive bikes are lightweight"
So women who need lightweight will buy an expensive bike

Fgs its the difference for me between being housebound and having my independence! I'll throw money at it!

And let's be honest who is more likely to need a light bike

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MrsAvocet · 07/11/2020 11:42

I'm still looking...
The Specialized Turbo Como has a 90Nm Brose Motor and gets good reviews.
Still heavy, but at 21kg its a bit lighter than what you have.
www.edinburghbicycle.com/specialized-turbo-como-3-0-2021-electric-bike
I have a feeling you may have to compromise on torque or weight unfortunately. Most of the lighter bikes use the ebikemotion hub motor which you've said isn't enough for you. That's what mine has and its just under 12kg and plenty of assistance for me, but though I do have some health problems I don't need a great deal of help.
I will keep hunting though. I enjoy a good bike search. Grin
I wonder if it might be worth you contacting one of the specialist companies directly, or one of the accessible cycling groups, to see if they can suggest anything. Its poor that there's nothing to suit you. I would think this is a not uncommon problem. I imagine plenty of people with disabilities need more assustance than average but can't lift heavy bikes. Its not just riding them that's the issue is it? I have a few contacts in the industry so will see if I can find anything out for you. It may take a few days but I will help if I can.
PS I think I remember you from another forum, where the D in DD stands for dancing not dear.....am I right?!

KatyMac · 07/11/2020 13:28

Yep that's my DD! And yours too I'm reading the zoom dancing thread

I can cycle further than my battery lasts but I need its support and I need the security of knowing I can get home

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MrsAvocet · 07/11/2020 19:35

I'm failing miserably sorry. I've found a few more with higher torque motors but I can't find quoted weights unfortunately.
powerbikes.uk/bikes/leisure-dutch-commuter-bikes/bergamont-e-horizon-expert-500-lady-electric-hybrid-bike-in-pink__29222
powerbikes.uk/bikes/leisure-dutch-commuter-bikes/bergamont-e-horizon-expert-500-amsterdam-electric-hybrid-bike-in-black__29223
powerbikes.uk/bikes/leisure-dutch-commuter-bikes/2020-fantic--sevendays-metro-easy-400wh--blackwhite__30602
Kalkhoff also seem to have a wide range of bikes with step through frames with lots of different motors and gear configurations so they might be worth investigating if you haven't done so already. Again, I struggled to find weights though I have to say they look fairly chunky.
The Canyons use the latest generation Bosch motor and are good quality and powerful, but again they are heavy at about 23kg.
www.canyon.com/en-gb/e-bikes/e-city-bikes/precede-on/#section-product-grid
My ebike is a gravel bike and I was seriously considering a Canyon as I love my normal Canyon road bike, but it was 17kg compared to the Colnago which I eventually bought at less than 12kg. I had to opt for a less poweful motor to get that weight though.
The impression I am getting is that the higher torque motors need bigger capacity,and therefore heavier batteries to maintain their range. So that in part explains the weight. Also the more powerful motors are mid drive rather than hub drive and I think they might be a bit heavier too. The light and powerful ebike does seem to be elusive!

KatyMac · 07/11/2020 21:32

Some of them look fab - last time I was looking they said that the weight of ebikes was commercially sensitive information Hmm - I see it as quite discriminatory really

My existing bike is this & tbh that sized motor on a lighter bike might work as it's pretty good

& the whole men's bikes can be light and powerful but women's can't is somewhat annoying

I guess I'm just feeling persecuted atm....but it is bizarre although probably not an intentional plot! I possibly have unrealistic expectations Hmm

Thank you so much for your help

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MrsAvocet · 07/11/2020 22:03

An advert for this company has just popped up on my Facebook- they seem to have quite a range so maybe worth a look if you haven't already seen them. ecobikecompany.com
Yes, bike buying in general as a woman is a bit of a minefield and can be very frustrating. I struggled to get an ebike small enough for me because I wanted a traditional road bike frame, not a step through frame. I eventually found one where the smallest size is just suitable for me
But the choice and quality of bikes available for women is generally poor compared to men. Then the manufacturers say "women don't want X, Y or Z". Err, how do they know?! Generally we have to buy what there is, which is not necessarily what we want. Hmm

KatyMac · 08/11/2020 00:03

I mean (& I am saying this as a feminist) who needs lighter bikes? Who needs extra range/battery and more power?

Bloody male bike designers

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KatyMac · 08/11/2020 00:03

And as for pink bikes!

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KatyMac · 15/11/2020 20:03

@MrsAvocet do you know aything about a Fezua Motor?

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MrsAvocet · 15/11/2020 21:38

Not a huge amount sorry KatyMac but they do have a good reputation. The Fazua Evation system used a mid drive motor and, as such systems go, it is light. But it isn't as powerful as the bigger mid drive motors like the Bosch ones. When I was originally looking for my ebike I did like the look of the Fazua system but unfortunately couldn't find a bike with it on that suited me otherwise. Have you found a bike that fits your needs?

Deltoids1 · 15/11/2020 21:45

Might be worth talking to these guys. They build bikes for people with specific needs. They could help perhaps?
empoweredpeople.co.uk/

KatyMac · 15/11/2020 21:48

No i'm havng it built and the shop has suggested that motor

But my brother thinks it isnt powerful enough for me

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KatyMac · 15/11/2020 21:53

Aw thanks @Deltoids1, but I don't think that my needs are enough for them - but I may see if they have any recommendations

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Deltoids1 · 15/11/2020 22:00

It’s worth a chat with them. They’re very knowledgable.

KatyMac · 15/11/2020 22:10

I will approach them; I dont want them to think I am asking for anything just info

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Covidcorvid · 07/02/2021 10:24

@KatyMac did you buy anything in the end?

I’m having the same dilemma. Whether to go for a lightweight Ribble al e bike which weighs around 15kg but has a smaller motor and battery so not much torque.

Or go for a much heavier better powered ebike like a Haibike which weighs around 24kg.

People online tell me for a flat, fairly short commute the Ribble will be fine. My local bike shop don’t sell the Ribble and are trying to put me off it by saying it’s a rear hub motor and rear hub motors are bad. They’re trying to talk me into a heavier Moustach or something like a Specialized SL ebike which is about 17kg but quite a bit more expensive than the Ribble for the same power....but it is a central/crank hub. 🤷‍♀️

Other people online say don’t worry about the weight. That the with a heavier bike having a higher torque motor you won’t notice the weight.?

@MrsAvocet what bike do you have please?

Covidcorvid · 07/02/2021 10:25

My dilemma isn’t helped by the lack of stock to try out.

MrsAvocet · 07/02/2021 15:06

Ive got a Colnago eGRV @Covidcorvid. It's a gravel bike but I ride it on the road a lot too. It's got an ebikemotion rear hub motor - probably the same one that Ribble use actually as they're the most popular brand.
I wouldn't say that hub motors are "not good" - there are pros and cons to all the systems available and like anything, it depends on your particular needs. Buying an ebike is a tricky business though because you've got all the decisions that go with buying a regular bike plus extra considerations around the motor and battery.

I was actually pretty adamant that I didn't want a bike with a rear hub motor initially but in the end I did buy one. Weight was very important to me. I'm very petite and I didn't want a bike that weighed half my bodyweight, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, remember that whatever the motor, they only assist you up to 25kph. So whilst it is true that a high torque motor will compensate for the weight of the bike up to a point, as soon as you exceed 25kph you are on your own. My ebike weighs about 12kg, so light by ebike standards, but I still notice the extra weight when it stops assisting (My "best" normal roadbike weighs 7kg as a comparison.) I don't fancy trying to pedal a 24kg bike without assistance. Also, if you are ever going to take your bike anywhere by car or public transport the weight can be an issue. I don't think I could lift a bike much heavier than mine into the back of my car for instance.
Mid drive motor bikes tend to be heavier, both because the motors themselves are heavier and because motors with more torque tend to drain the battery quicker, so to maintain range they need bigger, and thus heavier, batteries. So if weight is particularly important to you you are likely to opt for a bike with a hub motor.

The biggest downside of a rear hub motor is, as you've obviously already realised, that they tend have less torque. Mine has 3 assist levels ranging from 20-40 Nm. Some e mountain bikes can provide 100 Nm and plenty of smaller mid drive motors will manage up to 75, so there is quite a difference. The difficult issue is deciding what you need. I worried that my bike might not have enough but to be honest its not been an issue. I ride with it in its lowest setting most of the time and only use the higher levels of assistance for steep hills. But it's a difficult question to answer. How much assistance you need depends on all kinds of things, including obviously how much power you can provide yourself, but also the weight of the bike, the bike's gearing and the kind of terrain you're riding on. I've only briefly ridden a couple of bikes with powerful mid drive motors and to be honest I didn't like it much. It almost felt like I was being pushed from behind. I could see that they would be great on some super steep bit of a muddy mountain bike trail, but that's not really my kind of riding and I find the lower assistance of my bike feels more natural and is plenty for my needs. I would think that many people would find a relatively low level of assistance fine for the type of riding you describe, but it's such a personal thing that it's hard to say. Not being able to try one out does make it a lot harder for you to decide. If you can possibly get to ride any ebikes at all befire you buy, even if it's not the actual model you are interested in, it would be worthwhile.

The other significant disadvantage of rear hub motors is that getting the back wheel off is a bit of a palaver. I wouldn't fancy changing an inner tube at the roadside. Rear wheel punctures are a bit of a pain on a normal bike but worse on one with a hub motor. There's ways to minimise that problem though. Some people use special puncture resistant tyres but I 've opted for "self healing" inner tubes - both options add a bit of weight but not huge amounts.

Other differences are that there's a tendency for drive train components to wear more quickly on mid drive bikes and of course the aesthetics are different - but we all have different views on what looks nice!

One other practical consideration is charging. I keep all my bikes in the house anyway so it doesn't bother me that the battery on my bike isn't removable. But if you don't have space or don't want your bike indoors then you might be better to get one with a battery that's removable. That way you can bring the battery in to charge and leave the rest of the bike in the shed.

Hope that helpsca bit and good luck with your search.

Covidcorvid · 07/02/2021 15:28

Thank you.

That’s really helpful.

As I’m used to cycling a lot already then I do think a lower powered e bike would be ok. So I currently commute on a fairly cheap hybrid which I’d guess weighs about 12kg. Just windy days or some evenings when I’m knackered I feel I could do with some help.

I’ve got a light road bike which I use in the summer. But in the winter I ride a 19kg trike with no motor! So the Ribble would be lighter than that. I did 250 miles last month on the trike.

I had read about the struggle to get the back wheel off with the hub. I think the Ribble bikes are tubeless ready so I might get tubeless tyres put on. Or failing that marathon plus tyres....if I can’t get the wheel off it doesn’t matter if I can’t get the tyre off either! 😆

MrsAvocet · 07/02/2021 16:34

In that case I think you will almost certainly be fine with a similar motor to mine. Orbea use the same system as Colnago and I think, Ribble, and in their literature they describe it as "just enough" assistance but not so much that it overpowers your ride. I would agree with that description.
I think that as you are used to riding a normal bike you will adapt quite easily to this type of bike.
I am also a "normal" cyclist but a couple of years ago I suffered multiple injuries in a car crash and couldn't walk unassisted, never mind ride my bike for quite a while. By the time I was ready to ride again I had lost a huge amount of fitness and one of my legs was like a piece of soggy spaghetti so I bought the ebike as a way to help with my rehab. I will never get fully back to normal, though I do hope to be back on my normal road bike in the summer, but the ebike has allowed me to get back out and ride to places that I thought I might never get to again. Oh and it's a huge amount of fun!
Sounds as if, like me, you want just an extra bit of help when you need it rather than needing a huge amount of assistance. I doubt you'll need a very powerful motor - in fact you might not like too much assistance. I tend to keep mine in "green" which is the lowest level of assistance unless I'm struggling on hills ( and I live in a famously hilly part of the country). I want to feel like I'm riding my bike as normally as possible and I want to work so that I build my fitness back up, but I've got the "safety net" of knowing that if it does get too much for me, at the touch of a button I can get out of trouble. It's given me the confidence to get back out.
Interestingly the salesman in a shop that was trying to sell me a mid drive bike told me that rear hub wheels were nearly impossible to get on and off but the guy in the shop that was flogging the hub motor bikes told me it was no harder than a normal back wheel. They were both lying!! In the comfort of your own home it's a bit of a faff but no big deal really, but I wouldn't fancy doing it at the roadside in the cold dark and rain, which, let's face it, is when rear wheel punctures always occur! I've been wondering about going tubeless as I have tubeless ready wheels on a couple of bikes but I've heard such mixed opinions that I've not dared try it yet. I've found "slime" very effective in my winter road bike tyres so sticking with that for now.

Covidcorvid · 07/02/2021 17:08

Ha ha, I might do a video call with Ribble and tell the bloke I want him to demonstrate removing the back wheel. See how he does it! 😀

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