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War Poems to engage 15 year olds...

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Beetroot · 10/04/2008 10:31

The more visual and dramatic the better

Any ideas?

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Beetroot · 10/04/2008 16:25

wow thanks for this

iraq poem particularly moving and useful

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Beetroot · 10/04/2008 16:26

and black adder perfect

Not sure about oh what a lovely war - but it was a devised piece of thetre I seem to remember

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Twiglett · 10/04/2008 16:27

I still remember 'At the Cenotaph' by Siegrief Sassoon ... I must have been about 15 when I read it first .. when I say remember, I mean word for word so it must have made an impact

Twiglett · 10/04/2008 16:27

siegrief? siegfrief? .. lol

Beetroot · 10/04/2008 16:54

There are many cumbersome ways to kill a man.
You can make him carry a plank of wood
to the top of a hill and nail him to it.
To do this properly you require a crowd of people
wearing sandals, a cock that crows, a cloak
to dissect, a sponge, some vinegar and one
man to hammer the nails home.

Or you can take a length of steel,
shaped and chased in a traditional way,
and attempt to pierce the metal cage he wears.
But for this you need white horses,
English trees, men with bows and arrows,
at least two flags, a prince, and a
castle to hold your banquet in.
Five ways to kill a man - edwin Brock

Dispensing with nobility, you may, if the wind
allows, blow gas at him. But then you need
a mile of mud sliced through with ditches,
not to mention black boots, bomb craters,
more mud, a plague of rats, a dozen songs
and some round hats made of steel.

In an age of aeroplanes, you may fly
miles above your victim and dispose of him by
pressing one small switch. All you then
require is an ocean to separate you, two
systems of government, a nation's scientists,
several factories, a psychopath and
land that no-one needs for several years.

These are, as I began, cumbersome ways to kill a man.
Simpler, direct, and much more neat is to see
that he is living somewhere in the middle
of the twentieth century, and leave him there.

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lottiejenkins · 10/04/2008 18:09

illyria.com/owenstr.html
Strange Meeting

Beetroot · 10/04/2008 18:20

he is amazing

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janeite · 10/04/2008 18:42

My favourite is "Futility" by Wilfred Owen, which is as he said more about "the pity of war" than the horror.

I've taught war poetry (Great War) for many years and the ones that have had the most impact on pupils over the years are:

"Dulce Et Decorum" Owen

"Suicide In The Trenches" Sassoon

"The Soldier" Rupert Brooke, although I don't much like it myself; many of the pupils who come from Pakistan, Yemen, Sumalia etc really really relate to the ideas in it.

FluffyMummy123 · 10/04/2008 18:46

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BreeVanDerCampLGJ · 10/04/2008 18:51

Goodnight Saigon Billy Joel

We met as soul mates on Parris Island
We left as inmates from an asylum
And we were sharp, as sharp as knives
And we were so gung ho to lay down our lives

We came in spastic like tameless horses
We left in plastic as numbered corpses
And we learned fast to travel light
Our arms were heavy but our bellies were tight

We had no home front, we had no soft soap
They sent us Playboy, they gave us Bob Hope
We dug in deep and shot on sight
And prayed to Jesus Christ with all our might

We had no cameras to shoot the landscape
We passed the hash pipe and played our Doors tapes
And it was dark, so dark at night
And we held on to each other
Like brother to brother
We promised our mothers we'd write

And we would all go down together
We said we'd all go down together
Yes we would all go down together

Remember Charlie, remember Baker
They left their childhood on every acre
And who was wrong? And who was right?
It didn't matter in the thick of the fight

We held the day in the palm of our hand
They ruled the night, and the night
Seemed to last as long as six weeks...

...On Parris Island
We held the coastline, they held the highlands
And they were sharp, as sharp as knives
They heard the hum of our motors
They counted the rotors
And waited for us to arrive

And we would all go down together
We said we'd all go down together
Yes we would all go down together

janeite · 10/04/2008 18:53

Forgot this one; brilliant. It reduced a class of yr 11 boys to silence (and then we made origami peace birds):

www.spokesmanbooks.com/No%20More%20Hiroshimas%20Poem.htm

FluffyMummy123 · 10/04/2008 18:55

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Ellbell · 10/04/2008 22:50

Found two good ones in Staying Alive (great collection of poems).

This one is about the first Gulf War:

Initial Illumination (Tony Harrison)

Farne cormorants with catches in their beaks
shower fishscale confetti on the shining sea.
The first bright weather here for many weeks
for my Sunday G-Day train bound for Dundee,
off to St Andrew's to record a reading,
doubtful, in these dark days, what poems can do,
and watching the mists round Lindisfarne receding
my doubt extends to Dark Age Good Book too.
Eadfrith the Saxon scribe/illuminator
incorporated cormorants I'm seeing fly
round the same island thirteen centuries later
into the In principio's initial I.
Billfrith's begemmed and jewelled boards got looted
by raiders gung-ho for booty and berserk,
the sort of soldiery that's still recruited
to do today's dictators' dirty work,
but the initials in St John and in St Mark
graced with local cormorants in ages,
we of a darker still keep calling Dark,
survive in those illuminated pages.
The word of God so beautifully scripted
by Eadfrith and Billfrith the anchorite
Pentagon conners have once again conscripted
to gloss the cross on the precision sight.
Candlepower, steady hand, gold leaf, a brush
were all that Eadfrith had to beautify
the word of God much bandied by George Bush
whose word illuminated the midnight sky
and confused the Baghdad cock who was betrayed
by bombs into believing day was dawning
and crowed his heart out at the deadly raid
and didn't live to greet the proper morning.

Now with noonday headlights in Kuwait
and the burial of the blackened in Baghdad
let them remember, all those who celebrate,
that their good news is someone else's bad
or the light will never dawn on poor Mankind.
Is it open-armed at all that victory V,
that insular initial intertwined
with slack-necked cormorants from black laquered sea,
with trumpets bulled and bellicose and blowing
for what men claim as victories in their wars,
with the fire-hailing cock and all those crowing
who don't yet smell the dunghill at their claws?

The End and the Beginning (Wislawa Szymborska, translated fromt he Polish by Stanislaw Baranczak and Clare Cavanagh)

After every war
someone's got to tidy up.
Things won't pick
themselves up, after all.

Someone's got to shove
the rubble to the roadsides
so the carts loaded with corpses
can get by.

Someone's got to trudge
through sludge and ashes,
through the sofa springs,
the shards of glass,
the bloody rags.

Someone's got to lug the post
to prop the wall,
someone's got to glaze the window,
set the door in its frame.

No sound bites, no photo opportunities
and it takes years.
All the cameras have gone
to other wars.

The bridges need to be rebuilt,
the railroad stations, too.
Shirt sleeves will be rolled
to shreds.

Someone, broom in hand,
still remembers how it was.
Someone else listens, nodding
his unshattered head.
But others are bound to be bustling nearby
who'll find all that
a little boring.

From time to time someone still must
dig up a rusted argument
from underneath a bush
and haul it off to the dump.

Those who knew
what this was all about
must make way for those
who know little.
And less than that.
And at last nothing less
than nothing.

Someone's got to lie there
in the grass that covers up
the causes and effects
with a cornstalk in his teeth,
gawking at clouds.

Ellbell · 10/04/2008 23:01

To go with the Tony Harrison poem, here is an image of the beginning of John's gospel ('In principio') in the Lindisfarne gospels.

Beetroot · 11/04/2008 10:59

This is fantstic

would love to find some more protest songs

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TotalChaos · 11/04/2008 11:05

don't know if this would do for a protest song:-

Shipbuilding by Robert Wyatt

Is it worth it?
A new winter coat and shoes for the wife
And a bicycle on the boy's birthday.

It's just a rumour that was spread around town
By the women and children, soon we'll be shipbuilding

Well I ask you
The boy said 'Dad, they're going to take me to task
But I'll be home by Christmas.

It's just a rumour that was spread around town
Somebody said that someone got filled in
For saying that people get killed in
The results of their shipbuilding.

With all the will in the world
Diving for dear life
When we could be diving for pearls.

It's just a rumour that was spread around town
A telegram for a picture postcard
Within weeks they'll be reopening the shipyard
And notifying the next of kin
Once again.

It's all we're skilled in
We will be shipbuilding.

With all the will in the world
Diving for dear life
When we could be diving for pearls.

TotalChaos · 11/04/2008 11:06

or even the lyrics to Oliver's army by Elvis Costello.

I also agree with Colditz re:blackadder - it made a huge impression on me about WWI when I was mid-teens

Beetroot · 11/04/2008 11:13

will try and order black adder as I think that will be a brilliant way in

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Beetroot · 11/04/2008 20:28

printed everything out and research loads on You Tube - god it is great.

Even has the last 4 mins of Black Adder
and loads of poems read and filmed

Pete Doherty is great to

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NorthernLurker · 11/04/2008 21:37

Thanks for starting this thread Beetroot - it may have been of practical use to you - but it's been an absolutely fascinating read for me

Beetroot · 12/04/2008 08:33

glad to have been of help NL

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