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War Poems to engage 15 year olds...

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Beetroot · 10/04/2008 10:31

The more visual and dramatic the better

Any ideas?

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marina · 10/04/2008 10:36

I know that Wilfrid Owen gets a lot of the approbation for his war poetry, but I think Siegfried Sassoon is very underrated.

Several of the poems linked to here would be great I think!

ZoeC · 10/04/2008 10:36

DULCE ET DECORUM EST1

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares2 we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest3 began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots4
Of tired, outstripped5 Five-Nines6 that dropped behind.

Gas!7 Gas! Quick, boys! ? An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets8 just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime9 . . .
Dim, through the misty panes10 and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering,11 choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud12
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest13
To children ardent14 for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.15

Wilfred Owen

Loved this at that age I seem to remember.

Beetroot · 10/04/2008 10:36

what about modern ones?

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marina · 10/04/2008 10:37

WW2 - Charles Causley? Or more modern than that?

Blandmum · 10/04/2008 10:38

Your Attention Please by Peter Porter

The Polar DEW has just warned that
A nuclear rocket strike of
At least one thousand megatons
Has been launched by the enemy
Directly at our major cities.
This announcement will take
Two and a quarter minutes to make,
You therefore have a further
Eight and a quarter minutes
To comply with the shelter
Requirements published in the Civil
Defence Code - section Atomic Attack.
A specially shortened Mass
Will be broadcast at the end
Of this announcement -
Protestant and Jewish services
Will begin simultaneously -
Select your wavelength immediately
According to instructions
In the Defence Code. Do not
Tale well-loved pets (including birds)
Into your shelter - they will consume
Fresh air. Leave the old and bed-
Ridden, you can do nothing for them.
Remember to press the sealing
Switch when everyone is in
The shelter. Set the radiation
Aerial, turn on the Geiger barometer.
Turn off your television now.
Turn off your radio immediately
The services end. At the same time
Secure explosion plugs in the ears
Of each member of your family. Take
Down your plasma flasks. Give your children
The pills marked one and two
In the C D green container, then put
Them to bed. Do not break
The inside airlock seals until
The radiation All Clear shows
(Watch for the cuckoo in your
Perspex panel), or your District
Touring Doctor rings your bell.
If before this your air becomes
Exhausted or if any of your family
Is critically injured, administer
The capsules marked 'Valley Forge'
(Red pocket in No 1 Survival Kit)
For painless death. (Catholics
Will have been instructed by their priests
What to do in this eventuality.)
This announcement is ending. Our President
Has already given orders for
Massive retaliation - it will be
Decisive. Some of us may die.
Remember, statistically
It is not likely to be you.
All flags are flying fully dressed
On Government buildings - the sun is shining.
Death is the least we have to fear.
We are all in the hands of God,
Whatever happens happens by His will.
Now go quickly to your shelters.

made me stop and draw breath at that age

Beetroot · 10/04/2008 10:39

more modern - recent stuff

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ranting · 10/04/2008 10:39

Also agree with Sassoon, much better than Owen.

marina · 10/04/2008 10:40

am about to go and do some work but have a look here

MrsBadger · 10/04/2008 10:41

Anthem for Doomed Youth is very visual and wonderfully miserable for teenagers but not really dramatic

I like the Naming of Parts but it is more contemplative

Beetroot · 10/04/2008 10:43

Two Lorries by Seamus Heaney

It's raining on black coal and warm wet ashes.
There are tyre-marks in the yard, Agnew's old lorry
Has all its cribs down and Agnew the coalman
With his Belfast accent's sweet-talking my mother.
Would she ever go to a film in Magherafelt?
But it's raining and he still has half the load

To deliver farther on. This time the lode
Our coal came from was silk-black, so the ashes
Will be the silkiest white. The Magherafelt
(Via Toomebridge) bus goes by. The half-stripped lorry
With its emptied, folded coal-bags moves my mother:
The tasty ways of a leather-aproned coalman!

And films no less! The conceit of a coalman...
She goes back in and gets out the black lead
And emery paper, this nineteen-forties mother,
All business round her stove, half-wiping ashes
With a backhand from her cheek as the bolted lorry
Gets revved and turned and heads for Magherafelt

And the last delivery. Oh, Magherafelt!
Oh, dream of red plush and a city coalman
As time fastforwards and a different lorry
Groans into shot, up Broad Street, with a payload
That will blow the bus station to dust and ashes...
After that happened, I'd a vision of my mother,

A revenant on the bench where I would meet her
In that cold-floored waiting room in Magherafelt,
Her shopping bags full up with shovelled ashes.
Death walked out past her like a dust-faced coalman
Refolding body-bags, plying his load
Empty upon empty, in a flurry

Of motes and engine-revs, but which lorry
Was it now? Young Agnew's or that other,
Heavier, deadlier one, set to explode
In a time beyond her time in Magherafelt...
So tally bags and sweet-talk darkness, coalman,
Listen to the rain spit in new ashes

As you heft a load of dust that was Magherafelt,
Then reappear from your lorry as my mother's
Dreamboat coalman filmed in silk-white ashes.

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ranting · 10/04/2008 10:44

Oh I love Heaney, fantastic poet.

NorthernLurker · 10/04/2008 10:45

Alongside the poems I always think war memorials are terribly powerful. If you look at the little local ones for WW1 and think how small an area they cover and how many names there are - then look at your avearge class and think about it in terms of men aged perhaps 3-10 years older than them. Scary stuff. Especially when you look at and compare WW2 memorials - most of which have perhaps a third of the number of names on as WW1 - and that's with a longer war.

Beetroot · 10/04/2008 10:47

my grandmother modelled for a first world one war memorial - I will see if I can find it

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Beetroot · 10/04/2008 10:51

my grandmother

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Ellbell · 10/04/2008 10:53

Shema (Primo Levi)

You who live secure
In your warm houses
Who return at evening to find
Hot food and friendly faces:

Consider whether this is a man,
Who labours in the mud
Who knows no peace
Who fights for a crust of bread
Who dies at a yes or a no.
Consider whether this is a woman,
Without hair or name
With no more strength to remember
Eyes empty and womb cold
As a frog in winter.

Consider that this has been:
I commend these words to you.
Engrave them on your hearts
When you are in your house, when you walk on your way,
When you go to bed, when you rise.
Repeat them to your children.
Or may your house crumble,
Disease render you powerless,
Your offspring avert their faces from you.

Translated by Ruth Feldman And Brian Swann

NorthernLurker · 10/04/2008 10:54

what a strong image Beetroot - thanks for sharing that.

Beetroot · 10/04/2008 10:57

she didn't see it until she was 74 - amazing really.

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ranting · 10/04/2008 10:59

That is quite awe inspiring (the war memorial, I mean)

NorthernLurker · 10/04/2008 10:59

I've just remembered something else. In Edinburgh Castle there are some memorial books with names of the dead and injured for regiments associated with it. Some years ago I was there and was looking at them - it's pretty dreadful - day after day, name after name. A steady stream of loss and pain. Then I got to 1st July 1916 - and the stream is a flood, pages and pages for that one day. Nothing has conveyed the horror of the Somme to me like those names on those pages.

Beetroot · 10/04/2008 11:01

great idea NL - will see if I can find something similar on line

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cestlavie · 10/04/2008 11:06

Is it just poetry you're looking for or novels as well?

Solitaire · 10/04/2008 11:07

The war memorial is so powerful and beautiful beetroot. My other half is an English teacher and took a class of year 9s (I think) to see the battle fields of the Somme. They found it a great experience and really conveyed to them the magnitude of the loss of all those lives.
As an asside I always find the last episode (especially the last scene) of Blackadder goes forth incredibly moving in conveying the futility of war.

Ellbell · 10/04/2008 11:14

Or this one (written much later, during the Cold War) is a good one.

The Girl-Child of Pompei

Since everyone?s anguish is our own,
We live ours over again, thin child,
Clutching your mother convulsively
As though, when the noon sky turned black,
You wanted to re-enter her.
To no avail, because the air, turned poison,
Filtered to find you through the closed windows
Of your quiet, thick-walled house,
Once happy with your song, your timid laugh.
Centuries have passed, the ash has petrified
To imprison those delicated limbs forever.
In this way you stay with us, a twisted plaster cast,
Agony without end, terrible witness to how much
Our proud seed matters to the gods.
Nothing is left of your far-removed sister,
The Dutch girl imprisoned by four walls
Who wrote of her youth without tomorrows.
Her silent ash was scattered by the wind,
Her brief life shut in a crumpled notebook.
Nothing remains of the Hiroshima schoolgirl,
A shadow printed on a wall by the light of a thousand suns,
Victim sacrificed on the altar of fear.
Powerful of the earth, masters of new poisons,
Sad secret guardians of final thunder,
The torments heaven sends us are enough.
Before your finger presses down, stop and consider.

(translated from the Italian by Ruth Feldman)

You could look at it alongside an image like this one. It also connects to all kinds of things, because of the reference to Anne Frank, Hiroshima, and so on.

Ellbell · 10/04/2008 11:16

Wow, that memorial is beautiful, Beetroot.

NorthernLurker · 10/04/2008 11:22

this is interesting with some good accounts

wonder if you could find a better copy of the picture

somebody has put a lot of work into this one

Right better go do some housework now!