The family of murderers

[Princessfuckingpeach]

Shit title, but couldn't think how else to word it.

I've been following closely current on going trial, I'm not say which one because the thread will be deleted.

Whilst this person in my opinion has committed the worst crimes possible, this person's family look broken.
Obviously my heart breaks for the victims families, that goes without saying.

Many years ago I was working next door to a family who's son committed a awful murder, the family weren't the nicest by any means, but also, not the worst.
I had words with the mum on a few occasions, but equally, I'd send her a Christmas card and she would think nothing of sending on of her kids over with a crispy cake if she'd made too many. (I worked as a carer for a gent who lived in the house).
Anyway her son brutally murdered a young woman. It crushed his whole family.
Before he was arrested, I'd see him regularly, he was actually just a bit older than me and most mornings I arrived at work I'd bump into him, smiley, good looking young fella, I often considered asking him for a drink, thankfully I didn't!

But my word, his mother, she was broken by what he'd done. I would see plain clothed officers often consoling her and once news broke, (high profile murder of a sex worker) the road became flooded with people the victim associated with poor victim, just crowding the murderers family home.
(He actually didn't live there when he committed the crime, he would start work early and still went to his mums for breakfast which is how I would see him often) but yeah, as devastating at it was for the family of his victim, seeing his mum, a fiesty, somewhat gobby, but ultimately kind woman, go into the broken shell she became, horrifying. Obviously they had to sell up and move. The crowds of sex workers and drug addicts who knew the victim were often wearing t shirts of her face and became extremely antisocial. (Smashed windows, the usual shebang)

As I say, my sympathy is obviously with the victim and their families. (I had a relative murdered by an infamous serial killer in the 90s, so please don't think I'm being flippant) but my heart does bleed for the families of killers.
It's just seeing how broken they are, it's crushing.

Does anyone else feel this way or am I just being a bit pathetic? I've my hard hat on, in case I am!

I don't remember the trial, but it was always rumoured that Thompson was drinking in a club I drank in when my friends were students.

Just the idea of being in proximity to him made me absolutely sick.

"I don't remember the trial, but it was always rumoured that Thompson was drinking in a club I drank in when my friends were students."

There's a rumour about it in every town and it's bollocks.

Really good book called ‘We need to talk about Kevin’ is about this.
read it twenty years ago and it stayed with me

Oh, I see I should rtft!

Why would the thread be deleted? If it's the nurse it's being followed and commented on anyway.

*I've been following closely current on going trial, I'm not say which one because the thread will be deleted.

Whilst this person in my opinion has committed the worst crimes possible, this person's family look broken.*

Innocent until proven guilty? Or is this now completed?

They've deleted a few threads the person's parents I was thinking of because the trial is still on going, I've not seen any threads on it?
I imagine reddit or somewhere has one

I believe the trial ends in July.

I'm writing a novel about this - based on the true story of a woman acquitted of serial murder. The town in which she lived, and where the suspected murders occurred, is still divided, decades on, as to her innocence. She herself wrote a book about her experiences, her lawyer wrote a book about her too. It was a photo of her incredibly glamorous lawyer that first sparked my interest...

Sounds like an amazing read!
Please let me know when it's published so I can buy it!

A mothers love 💔

Remember that seen in Happy Valley where Alison killed her son when she found out he had been murdering the sex workers

I am always interested in how we make judgements about 'good parents' and 'bad parents'.

I think nature has a lot to do with murder but equally, many families can look wonderful from the outside, but are rotten to the core.

I came from the latter and used to wonder if I had it in me to murder. I don't but I was desperate to be free from my Mother and sometimes the feelings were very intense.

Something else I now need to add to my watch list!

My friend, I believe every single person who has the physical and mental ability to commit murder, is a potential murderer.
You can be the sweetest, kindest, dearest human to walk this green earth, but if you're in a life or death situation, or you're witnessing one and you have the option to end the perpetrator, you'll do it, we all have that survival instinct.

I'm someone who endured DV, my father regularly beat mother & I and I remember him being passed out at the kitchen table.
My dear grandma had given me a old cast iron skillet to make potions with, it was heavy as bricks. I remember that I was holding it as he slept thinking, "you get one shot peach, you smash his nose into his skull and you'll never have to see your mum with a broken nose again" and as I psyched myself up, my mum walked in.
I was 9 years old.

I'm unsure if you're aware of Gypsy Rose Blanchard case, but honestly, I have nothing but sadness for her!

Also... I'll be your mum ❤

Thank you @Princessfuckingpeach ! Watch this space!

I'm so sorry you had to experience that @Princessfuckingpeach - I hope you have found some peace in life (although we carry our childhoods with us sadly).

I am obsessed with real murders and trying to 'understand'. I can't really explain it but maybe it's because of my past?

I used to think about pushing my Mum downstairs or off a big hill. It would have been easy enough but I was scared she wouldn't die and would come after me. I was also scared she'd haunt me, although I don't believe in ghosts!

I also think my Mum harboured fantasies about me dying and she left me in some difficult situations as a young child. I am still scared of her even though she is in her 80s. I eventually moved very far away and feel safer now.

@nobodysdaughternow the reason "true crime" audiences are predominantly female is because we're the intended victims of crime.

I'm sending you a huge hug and I'm serious when I say this, if you ever need some cheering up, like someone to send you a Christmas eve box with new PJs and some sweeties, or something else a mum would do, inbox me and I'll send you a fake mum parcel. I have about 3 online friends who grew up in the system and never had mums do nice mum stuff, if you ever need that, even though 2 of those friends are much older than me, I got you! 💐
It's a tough old world to navigate and we all could use a little bit of love, no matter where it comes from.

@bombemma
When Alison killed her son was it also so he wouldn't languish in prison for the rest of his days or was it purely to rid the world of evil.
I watched it but can't remember 😩

With regard to Happy Valley - Wasn't the son born as a result of rape?

Alison's father?

I know it's fiction but as with everything makes you think and wonder.

Former neighbours son killed his wife a few years ago. His father was someone who treated his wife very badly- tried to sell her car when she was away ,moved girlfriend in also when she was away,but was all bonhomie and hail fellow…. There were two sons and she did her best . The son rang the police when he had killed his wife and waited for them. I know as a teenager he had been difficult,moved into a caravan outside their house. I was glad she had died before this happened. I think she was a good person.

@Stanislas I'd have felt the same as you, glad his poor mother didn't have to know what atrocities her son was capable of commiting.

very interesting thought. Obviously we all see the poor victims family on the news etc but its often not given any thought to the accused's family. no one likes to think of a child you have given birth to doing anything wrong whether shoplifting sweets from the corner shop to the most awful of crimes. do you reject the child or do you keep in touch? no matter how long you have been in a home you would have to move? you would have to maybe change names or people would track you down with your child behind bars you would face the flack about them. no one could think of their child sat at the table with them eating meals; going to work; out to the pub with mates but inbetween with a load of lies murdering raping etc.

The other way round but I always think of the West children - the children of Fred and Rose West, particularly Mae. She wrote a book about it all, “Love Always, Mum” which is just very sad and interesting. She has to be very careful people don’t recognise her or her children, she doesn’t use her real name etc. It must be a terrible burden to carry.

I think you’re being very empathetic, OP. I’m a relative of a murderer and victim so I can see both sides. I’ll also say that the ramifications can be felt for generations. It’s not really spoken about, but it’s shit in a multitude of ways.