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Alec Baldwin

16 replies

Keeleyjane · 20/01/2023 12:23

What are everyone's thought on Alec Baldwin being charged for involuntary manslaughter? Do you agree with this?

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Ostryga · 20/01/2023 12:30

As producer he was responsible for the correct and stringent procedures regarding firearms. There should have been a procedure in place that the gun was handed over empty, checked and checked again by more than one person, signed off. Then the ammo should have been checked by more than one person. Then loaded and used.

At no point should a live firearm ever be able to be discharged on set. If the proper procedures had been in place and followed it wouldn’t have happened.

coffeeandteav · 13/07/2024 08:59

Case has been dismissed.

The prosecution called themselves. How odd.

Whatmonth · 13/07/2024 09:20

Why did the armourer bring in live bullets.
Is it normal to have them on a film set.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 13/07/2024 09:25

The whole case was so odd, I really don't know what to think. He was told the gun was "cold" so safe when it was handed to him, so that's something.

However now the prop supplier is being blamed for sending real bullets instead of blanks?

Ostryga · 13/07/2024 09:31

Whatmonth · 13/07/2024 09:20

Why did the armourer bring in live bullets.
Is it normal to have them on a film set.

Yes this is what completely threw me, why would there EVER need to be live ammo on set? Doesn’t make any sense

FiveStoryFire · 13/07/2024 09:54

As an actor, I would say he's innocent because it's not his job to check the gun.

As a producer, I'm not sure whether he's responsible for the overall procedures on set or not.

Justcallmebebes · 13/07/2024 10:00

The Judge has thrown the case out. It's over

FailBetter · 13/07/2024 14:25

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 13/07/2024 09:25

The whole case was so odd, I really don't know what to think. He was told the gun was "cold" so safe when it was handed to him, so that's something.

However now the prop supplier is being blamed for sending real bullets instead of blanks?

The armourer Hannah Gutierez-Reed is already serving time. She got 18 months.
However, she is suing the supplier, saying they mixed live and dummy bullets.
It was inferred that Seth Kenney wanted her to get fired.
He denied both these things albeit admitted he didn't have faith in her.
Reed's father's friend, Troy Teske, handed in ammo that he said came from Kenney that was same as live ammo that killed Hutchins.
This is the evidence filed under a new case/new number and not disclosed.
Prosecution claimed it had no bearing/Teske knew Reed who just wanted to protect his daughter.
But they hid it.
If the supplier mixed up live ammo or sabotaged the set on purpose, they bear some responsibility obviously.
However, the gun should still have been checked by Hannah and the assistant director Dave Halls who took a plea deal and got 6 months probation.
Baldwin was being judged as an actor - the argument against him being ahnded a "cold gun" and therefore being completely innocent, is threefold:

  1. his involvement as producer too (this was dismissed)
  2. him opting to hold a gun rather than a rubber dummy in the first place (tenuous)
  3. him having pulled the trigger/shooting towards (he claimed gun went off by itself but I'm not sure I believe him)
Either way, he is now free. Gutierrez-Reed will probably win on appeal now (as evidence would have vindicated her denial she brought live rounds in. How that defends her not checking the actual gun remains to be seen). Baldwin had given Hutchins' husband a settlement and iirc I thought it had been said that a second civil suit case couldn't be brought now but I might be wrong on that. His attorney insists they still want Baldwin held accountable.
CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 13/07/2024 15:10

Apparently several people quit prior to the incident because of unsafe conditions onset, plus the armourer is some kind of nepo baby. It sounds like a lot of people were in the wrong and those mistakes added up.

HungryLittleCrocodile · 13/07/2024 15:12

Justcallmebebes · 13/07/2024 10:00

The Judge has thrown the case out. It's over

Has he really? So Alec will not be charged with anything then?

To be fair, he didn't know the stunt gun was loaded with real bullets! No way should he have been held to account for Halyna Hutchins death. Only the person who put the bullets in the gun should have been charged with anything.

Correct decision to drop this case and let Alec go free IMO. As has been said though, I don't think this will be the end of it, as her Halyna's family will try to bring charges against him.

Fridaysgirl17 · 13/07/2024 15:16

HungryLittleCrocodile · 13/07/2024 15:12

Has he really? So Alec will not be charged with anything then?

To be fair, he didn't know the stunt gun was loaded with real bullets! No way should he have been held to account for Halyna Hutchins death. Only the person who put the bullets in the gun should have been charged with anything.

Correct decision to drop this case and let Alec go free IMO. As has been said though, I don't think this will be the end of it, as her Halyna's family will try to bring charges against him.

Edited

The judge hasn't thrown it out it was dismissed due to prosecution misconduct, the prosecution, lead detective & crime scene techs all his evidence from Alec Baldwins lawyers, they placed it under different case numbers & never showed it when there was evidence showings. Alec Baldwin cannot be charged or prosecuted again sorry was replying before edit 🤦🏻‍♀️

HungryLittleCrocodile · 13/07/2024 15:19

Interesting, thank you @Fridaysgirl17

AmelieTaylor · 13/07/2024 15:21

Ostryga · 20/01/2023 12:30

As producer he was responsible for the correct and stringent procedures regarding firearms. There should have been a procedure in place that the gun was handed over empty, checked and checked again by more than one person, signed off. Then the ammo should have been checked by more than one person. Then loaded and used.

At no point should a live firearm ever be able to be discharged on set. If the proper procedures had been in place and followed it wouldn’t have happened.

This.

it shouldn't have been
possible!! NOT his fault.

PoliteOtter · 13/07/2024 15:23

Glad it has been thrown out. But I really don’t understand this case or how it ever happened for that matter.

Fluffypuppy1 · 13/07/2024 15:27

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 13/07/2024 15:10

Apparently several people quit prior to the incident because of unsafe conditions onset, plus the armourer is some kind of nepo baby. It sounds like a lot of people were in the wrong and those mistakes added up.

This.

It was reported at the time that guns with live rounds were being used during breaks for target practice. People quit as they could see it was an accident waiting to happen.

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