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Would you include the pandemic ?

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serialcatbuyer · 22/07/2024 01:13

I was talking to a friend and she said her attention switches off when she sees this in films or tv. But I remember how weird it felt and I thought it would be interesting to recapture that and would add to a sense of unease in a certain type of story

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Saintmariesleuth · 22/07/2024 01:30

It really depends on the context of the story.

The pandemic is still very fresh and raw for a lot of people, so I suspect quite a few people avoid media about it. I know that I likely would turn the TV over or choose another book if it was about covid. I'm sure it won't always be the case though, and perhaps in the not too distant future attitudes will have changed.

Good luck with your story, I admit that I have always been jealous of those that can write well!

EmeraldRoulette · 22/07/2024 01:32

I immediately reject any fiction that includes this. It is still a festering wound for quite a lot of people I think.

serialcatbuyer · 24/07/2024 07:35

I read a book set in the 1919 pandemic, and it was just very matter of fact about that, and it had little to do with how the story played out, it was just a setting. I quite liked it, idk

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serialcatbuyer · 24/07/2024 07:42

Thank you @Saintmariesleuth I'm not completely committed at the moment, just an idea I'm playing around with, it's harder than I expected though to write longer stories

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CoffeeAndWrite · 04/08/2024 08:00

I wouldn't, no. It's not a time I'd want to return to and when it was mentioned on a show recently, I zoned out.

AlsaceLorraine · 04/08/2024 08:16

serialcatbuyer · 24/07/2024 07:35

I read a book set in the 1919 pandemic, and it was just very matter of fact about that, and it had little to do with how the story played out, it was just a setting. I quite liked it, idk

If that was Emma Donoghue’s The Pull of the Stars, her publisher rushed it out early to capitalise on an epidemic novel during Covid. A friend of mine also wrote and published a Covid novel during Covid, but she’s very established and wrote it as a gambled ‘extra’ to a two-book deal. But my own agent thinks there’s little appetite currently for a Covid novel. Both too long ago and not long enough ago at the moment, though that may of course change in time. The one I’m just finishing starts with all the postponed ‘big birthday’ parties that clustered together in quick succession once restrictions were eased.

serialcatbuyer · 04/08/2024 13:06

@AlsaceLorraine It was Emma Donoghue's The Wonder

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GhostImposter · 05/08/2024 13:02

All four of the most recently published books I've read include the pandemic. Three of them were best sellers, one of which has already had an American screen adaptation. I doubt that I just by complete coincidence picked up the only four recently released books that mention the pandemic. I suspect that we've already moved into the phase where it's mostly just a thing that happened.

A book that you are writing now as a debut author is at best three years away from publication, as you have to write it, edit it, query with it, go on submission if you get an agent, do edits again if you get a publisher and then wait for its publishing slot. We'll be well into the pandemic as a part of the past phase of life by then. So write the book that feels authentic to what is inspiring you. Include the pandemic if it feels like that's part of the story that you are telling.

AlsaceLorraine · 05/08/2024 21:00

serialcatbuyer · 04/08/2024 13:06

@AlsaceLorraine It was Emma Donoghue's The Wonder

That was set in the 1860s.

Sethera · 08/08/2024 08:01

I think we'll get a rash of books, films etc. about the pandemic in the 2030s when the era has had the time to fade into nostalgia territory.

In the meantime, it depends whether the pandemic would genuinely add anything to your story. I don't think it's the ideal moment from a commercial perspective to include it for atmosphere only, but if you have an exciting plot idea that is based on elements of the pandemic, go for it.

Edingril · 08/08/2024 08:06

If the book was set 2020-2022 yes but this year no way it has to end sometime

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DoNotScrapeMyDataBishes · 16/08/2024 20:37

I turn off any TV shows or media which include pandemic talk, performative social distancing, or stupid perspex screens between people you know were chatting away happily next to each other the second before cameras start rolling.

Wouldn't be reading any books including it for a long long time.

Sskka · 16/08/2024 20:49

I wonder about this too. I’m not sure if it’s the sort of thing you can include – by which I mean it was such a boring, conflict-free time that it’s the sort of thing that is death to fiction? Like having your characters be on mobile phones, or writing a children’s narrative where the parents are always watching over them.

So I’m intrigued by “All four of the most recently published books I've read include the pandemic” – how did they handle it? Maybe it could be interesting by forcing characters together who didn’t want to be together, but otherwise I’m struggling with the idea.

BlueFairyBugsBooks · 16/08/2024 20:52

I think it depends on how it is incorporated into the story.
One of the best books I've read this year was about Covid. It's also the book that made me cry the most this year, and some residual trauma surfaced.

Other books I've read it's been mentioned for reasons such as someone losing their job due to covid affecting business. Or someone missing WFH etc. That works because for me it adds a sense of realism.

fundbund · 16/08/2024 21:21

I've read some great books set during covid. Sarah Moss's The Fell was a great one.

GhostImposter · 17/08/2024 09:04

Sskka · 16/08/2024 20:49

I wonder about this too. I’m not sure if it’s the sort of thing you can include – by which I mean it was such a boring, conflict-free time that it’s the sort of thing that is death to fiction? Like having your characters be on mobile phones, or writing a children’s narrative where the parents are always watching over them.

So I’m intrigued by “All four of the most recently published books I've read include the pandemic” – how did they handle it? Maybe it could be interesting by forcing characters together who didn’t want to be together, but otherwise I’m struggling with the idea.

In one the pandemic just comes in at the end. The book was pretty much done, so, tbh, it was just there and didn't really enhance the plot. In the second the pandemic also happens at the end, but it seemed like it was set up to do that as the suddenness of everything shutting down plays a role in how things end. The third was set after the pandemic, so it's mentioned periodically, like a mother worried that her young son is on his Switch too much as he got in that habit during lockdown. Or how it may have contributed to her teen daughter's problems socially. The other was a book of short stories where the pandemic is still on going during some of them. The same author of that book also had a novel about a more deadly, fictional pandemic, come out in 2022.

I know you said it was a boring time of nothing, but it wasn't. 2021 was probably the most pure fun year of my life since I was a child. Some of my friends took up an outdoor version of our hobby and as the weather was actually very good, we used to be outside doing that for pretty much whole days at a time, nearly every day of the week. In my social circle, a number of my friends went back to college in 21, 22 or 23. When I applied for my MA, I felt like a cliche of the post-Covid rush to go make a big life change and try to follow your secret dream. I have friends who moved back from abroad as a result, as being unable to visit home for so long had changed how willing they were to live apart from family.

Covid was a huge catalyst for people to change their lives. For both the good and bad. There was a thread on AIBU a few weeks ago from a woman that feels she only married her husband because they were living together when lockdown happened and the fact they couldn't go anywhere meant she didn't realise how different their lifestyles were. Unfortunately for a huge amount of people, especially women and children, it was a time when domestic abuse ramped up significantly. Some people lost loved ones, others developed long term health issues, while for many, it was the catalyst to become fit and healthy.

Many people lost their jobs or businesses while others changed jobs, started businesses, took up hobbies, changed their lifestyles, worked more from home, etc. The simple fact is, the pandemic changed things for significant amounts of people. Very few people went back to exactly their old lives because even if they didn't change much, others in their lives did. Leaving it out completely, in contemporary fiction, would make as much sense as a book written and set squarely in 1948 pretending that the war hadn't just happened.

I'd honestly say, that even if you don't end up putting any of it on the page, if you are creating characters, it's worth having a think about how the last few years may have impacted them. If you're writing about people in their 20s, did they finish college online? Move back in with their parents for a bit? People in their 30s, did it change their wedding plans? Was their child born when no-one, was allowed to visit? People in their 40s, do they worry sometimes that the pandemic damaged their kids? Was it a catalyst for a divorce? Was it the first time her husband punched her? Does a character in her 50s feel a tiny bit nostalgic for that extra time she got to have her kids back under her roof? Or does she think it stunted them a bit and wonder how to push them back into gear?

So while I'd say it's true that very few people want to read a book about someone in Jan/Feb 2020 starting to get worried that something big was coming, then the shock of being stuck at home come March. And all about clapping and banana bread and being desperate to get a test when they start to show symptoms and learning how to do zooms. It would be unrealistic to pretend that it had never happened and your characters lived from 2020-23 without any upheaval.

AlsaceLorraine · 17/08/2024 09:15

Good post, @GhostImposter. Covid doesn’t particularly feature in the one I’m currently working on, which is set in 2022-3, but lockdown definitely had an impact on the marriage of the main character, so I need to make sure that’s addressed.

Sskka · 17/08/2024 10:50

Yes, great post @GhostImposter

fwiw I didn’t say “a boring time of nothing” because I experienced it much like you did – hence my actual choice of “conflict-free”, to reflect that what it wasn’t was the stuff of fiction. You give an admirably encyclopaedic list of how I’m wrong – but imo most of it necessarily still doesn’t amount to more than background detail.

In other words, I still find it hard to envisage a book about the pandemic, as opposed to one that simply features it.

GhostImposter · 17/08/2024 11:25

Sskka · 17/08/2024 10:50

Yes, great post @GhostImposter

fwiw I didn’t say “a boring time of nothing” because I experienced it much like you did – hence my actual choice of “conflict-free”, to reflect that what it wasn’t was the stuff of fiction. You give an admirably encyclopaedic list of how I’m wrong – but imo most of it necessarily still doesn’t amount to more than background detail.

In other words, I still find it hard to envisage a book about the pandemic, as opposed to one that simply features it.

Yeah exactly. It's about including it, even if it's just a woman in her 60s who likes to put on music and hula hoop when she's stressed as she picked it up during lockdown and can do a few tricks. Just a small, maybe surprising, detail about a person that has come from that time.

Though I think that the idea of a relationship that would have ended if lockdown hadn't happened but instead ended up in marriage and kids is fascinating. A bit like The Amateur Marriage about a couple who married during WW2, when they probably wouldn't have if it hadn't been a time of heightened tension.

AmbitiousHalibut · 26/10/2024 22:08

Sorry, I know I'm very late to this thread but just wanted to say I've just finished reading Tom Lake by Ann Patchett and I thought she used the pandemic beautifully to frame why the main character's adult daughters were now home with her with plenty of time to talk. I hadn't clocked that it was set during COVID, and I'm not sure I'd have picked it up if I had, but I'm really pleased I did. It was beautiful.

KnittingKnewbie · 26/10/2024 22:12

The latest Karen Pirie detective novel was set during covid as her books are chronological/sequential.
It led to the detectives working on a Cold case in a specific way. I thought that was interesting.
If it was eg a romance I wouldn't read a covid one

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