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How long for full responses?

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Lululockwood · 25/01/2024 13:24

Hi, not sure why I am asking this 'how long is a piece of string' question, possibly just to maintain my sanity...

Currently have full manuscripts out with 2 agents - this was on back of being placed in quite a prestigious prize and included in their anthology, leading to these requests. This is my second novel, and I've had 3 previous full requests, all rejected within space of 2-4 weeks (albeit with positive comments and constructive feedback).

The current 2 have both been out for around 2 weeks, so am at stage of being stressed and constantly checking my email inbox! Feeling quite despondent that a delay in reply means likely to be more rejection so just trying to get a sense of other people's experiences with this.
TIA!

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Nestofwalnuts · 25/01/2024 13:29

I'd 'decide' that they will take a month so put it out of your mind for the next two weeks. But, meanwhile, use the requests as leverage. If you haven;t yet subbed to your dream agent, send now, with a note saying that on the back of this comp and anthology, two agents actively approached you for your full manuscript, which prompted you to decide to send to them too as they are your ideal agent for XYZ reasons.

You might well get a livelier response, and then can jog the other two by saying BigShot agent has asked for the full script too. i was just wondering where you are at with deciding.

If an agent knows someone else wants you they speed up the decision process.

Lululockwood · 25/01/2024 16:02

Thanks @Nestofwalnuts, that's probably sensible advice.
Good idea about using the time to submit to
another agent. Not sure I actually have a 'dream' agent though - maybe I should quickly identify one!
Was wondering whether to let each of them know someone else has requested the full... but don't want to be annoying. Also I have read somewhere not to nudge before 3 months.

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LouisaMayAlcott · 25/01/2024 18:01

Definitely tell agents that someone else has requested the full, they hate to think they might be about to miss out on the next bestseller! And yes use the leverage to approach other agents, they expect you to be subbing to several at once.

As to your initial question, they can still take ages after requesting the full, which is why it's good to be able to give them a shove with updates because they're more likely to move you further up the pile.

AppropriateAdult · 26/01/2024 16:20

It's so hard to predict; I sent out a requested full in November 2019 and still haven't heard anything back Grin Others have varied from a few days to several months.

Happily I'm represented now, with my first novel scheduled for publication early next year! It sounds like you're in a really strong position, fingers crossed there'll be good news soon.

Curioushorse · 26/01/2024 16:27

Ha ha.

I had two full manuscript requests for one book in May. Both agents knew about each other but said they were really busy and to let them know if the other agent offered representation.

I started writing a new book to distract me. I finished it and sent the new book out to other agents, as it seemed a passive aggressive move to send it to the first two. One agent requested a full two months ago.

So....that's three agents, on two different books. I would be assuming the first two definitely aren't interested, given that it's 8 months now- but a friend told me she was offered representation after 9 months.

Honestly, the way I see it, if somebody added a task taking an additional 5 or so hours on top of my normal action-packed job, it might take me more than a few weeks to finish it.

Lululockwood · 27/01/2024 11:06

Thanks all - well, that's confirmed my 'how long is a piece of string' suspicion.....

@AppropriateAdult very annoying not to have heard about one at all. Though guess that was just before covid so may be reasons (or may just be rude!) Great that you are now due to be published though.

I have heard about nudging if another agent has it - it just sounds an excruciating thing to do, and not sure how to word it ('just letting you know the full manuscript is also with another agent' .... and what then, can't exactly say 'please therefore read and respond quickly!') Also, I guess they might expect other agents might have requested it on back of the competition publication (if this is a normal thing to do) so might seem like I have desperately waited a month and then decided to use this as leverage (which would be true).... aargh, it is so hard!

I am not actually subbing to any else at moment - part of my prize was a manuscript
assessment so planning on getting that first as may give me some clear direction (given a few full requests have come to nothing so far I think this could be useful).

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Nestofwalnuts · 27/01/2024 14:34

AppropriateAdult · 26/01/2024 16:20

It's so hard to predict; I sent out a requested full in November 2019 and still haven't heard anything back Grin Others have varied from a few days to several months.

Happily I'm represented now, with my first novel scheduled for publication early next year! It sounds like you're in a really strong position, fingers crossed there'll be good news soon.

Blimey! That's ridiculous. Did you ever nudge them?

And congratulations!

AppropriateAdult · 27/01/2024 16:03

Thank you! I did nudge once, after three months, and heard nothing back, so I wrote it off at that stage. I don't think it's rare, unfortunately. It is rude, though.

Lululockwood · 29/01/2024 20:11

Oh well, update is have had one rejection of full today - turn around 3 weeks. One still out, though not optimistic.

So have now had 4 full requests which have been rejected and one full request outstanding... feel like full requests are no longer something to get excited about as starting to assume they will be rejected! Anyone had ultimate success after being in this situation?

Hoping the manuscript assessment will be useful, as clearly I'm doing something right, but just not enough!

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AppropriateAdult · 29/01/2024 20:25

I had about four full requests rejected before I eventually found my agent. It was after months of sending out queries in small batches, and mentally I had pretty much moved on from this novel altogether and was trying to think of what I could write next. And then one Friday afternoon I had some time to kill and thought I'd send it off to the next few agents on my spreadsheet, and 45 minutes later I had a full request, and a week later I had an offer.

I know it's a cliche, but it really does just come down to it landing on the right desk at the right time. If you're getting full requests in the first place, you're doing something right. Don't stop.

Lululockwood · 29/01/2024 20:29

Thanks @AppropriateAdult, that's good to hear, and I know there is such an element of luck about getting it to the right person and persevering, even though it's hard!

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AppropriateAdult · 31/01/2024 09:33

Just to add, this was the third novel I had queried. So I do know how long and soul-destroying the whole process can be - it was years getting to this stage and sometimes now it's still hard to believe it's really happened.

Lululockwood · 02/02/2024 10:22

Thanks, @AppropriateAdult it's good to have that encouragement. This is my second novel too - very much admire you for writing a third! I did get an agent previously, around 8 years ago but, after a lengthy process of redrafting and submitting, no publisher, and agent kind of drifted off. I did contact them again with this one and they looked at it but didn't want to take it further. So that experience was quite soul destroying, as you say.

Jusr received a rejection from the final full I have out. So that makes 5 full requests (not including previous agent) all rejected. The first time I got lucky with my second full request (or not as it turns out) so this is hitting quite hard! Difficult not to feel despondent.

I am going to go with manuscript assessment I mentioned upthread. I think I know where I am probably going wrong and it would be helpful to have some outside perspective before I redraft and resubmit. One agent did offer to look again if I redrafted along lines she could see it working (and another gave similar comments which were also along the lines I was already aware of though didn't offer to resubmit). So that's one thing, though no guarantee.

I have started to worry about exhausting the supply of available agents so don't want to continue submitting at this point! I see other people making comments that they have sent 60 submissions - but wondering how when there do seem to be a finite number of agencies in the UK, and not sure it's ok to submit to an agent with a reworked piece when someone else in their agency has already turned it down - anyone know? Feeling a bit panicky about this now, though maybe just having a bad day!

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AppropriateAdult · 02/02/2024 13:31

@Lululockwood I've just had a look at my submissions spreadsheet and there are over 70 UK agencies on it - I can post some screenshots a bit later if that's helpful?

Lululockwood · 03/02/2024 09:03

Ah, thanks @AppropriateAdult thats reassuring! It just seems every time I google the same agencies come up - but this probably says more about my haphazard search technique - possibly need to be more methodical. 70 is way more than I would have thought! It's really kind of you to offer to post screenshots - I guess it would be useful, though don't want to take advantage of your (evidently more effective!) research. It's great to have this information though.

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AppropriateAdult · 03/02/2024 09:54

No problem at all!

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AppropriateAdult · 03/02/2024 09:55

Ignore the various crossings-out and colour-coding, which all made sense to me at some point...

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Lululockwood · 03/02/2024 18:23

Wow, @AppropriateAdult that is some piece of work - I am much more disorganised, think just have scribbled notes in a load of notebooks! Heard of (and alas been rejected by) quite a few of these - it's good to know all the other options though, really appreciate you posting, thanks ☺️

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InfiniteTeas · 10/02/2024 12:53

Just a word of caution about agent submissions - remember that there is no real regulation of literary agents. This is particularly relevant if you are in the US or submitting to agents there. There seems to be a trend there for authors to decide to set up as agents, with no real experience or industry connections. This isn't such an issue in the UK, but there are still a small number of 'rogue agents' and, while authors have become a lot more proactive about sharing information regarding these agents, writers in the early stages of their careers generally won't be in the loop. I would advise doing as much research as possible, before submitting.

Some things to consider:

Are they a member of the AAA? This isn't a guarantee of quality - a quick scan of their directory shows at least one agent that authors should avoid like the plague - but it is a good starting point. If someone isn't a member, it may mean nothing at all - Anthony Harwood, for example, does not appear to be a member, and is a legitimate and experienced agent - but it probably warrants further research.

Are they part of a legitimate agency? Again, this isn't an absolute guarantee, but it's a decent indicator. There are hoops to jump through to become an agent with an established agency. Sole agents need a bit more research. I should be clear that there are some great sole agents out there - Julie Crisp, for example, works alone and is a fantastic, experienced agent who reps a friend of mine - but there are also some absolute bandits, operating with no oversight. Be cautious of anyone who seems to be trying to disguise the fact that they work alone, by saying 'we' rather than 'I' on their website. Again, Julie Crisp is clear that the agency is just her, with all her website text written as 'I'.

Who are their clients? If you don't recognise any names on their client list, do some more digging. If they have a list of clients, but with no info about any actual published books, do a lot more digging. While all agents obviously have clients who are not yet published, they should have at least some with books to their name* If all their clients are described in impressive sounding terms, but with no actual book titles or links, you may be looking at one of the agents who collects clients but ultimately does nothing for them.

  • You will obviously get the odd very junior agent who is only just building a list, but this should be obvious, and they are likely to be part of a larger agency, and working with more experienced agents.

What books have their clients had published? If there are references to books, have a look at the info for those books on Amazon. Pay particular attention to the publisher's name. If it's a publisher you've heard of, that's a good sign. If it's someone you've never heard of, particularly if it seems to be a very small set-up, again, do some more digging. It could easily turn out to be the case that the book in question has actually been self-published after the agent failed to sell it, or even that the agent themselves dabbles in some sort of assisted self-publishing, or has some sort of relationship with a vanity publisher.

Are their clients actually their clients? Have a look at their social media or websites to see if they actually mention being represented by the agent in question. It's not unheard of for agents to leave clients on the website after they've moved on.

What deals have they done recently? Agents don't get paid unless they sell books, and their main target market is the bigger publishers who pay advances, so they get a cut of that, rather than waiting for their percentage of the author's royalties to trickle in. There are some agents out there who seem to be hobbyists. They have clients, call themselves agents, sometimes waft about festivals or other events, but they don't actually make money selling books. They might have all sorts of fancy references on their websites to famous authors they've worked with, but the connection will be tenuous or very old, with no evidence of any ongoing professional relationship. When you're at the point of submitting seriously, it's a good idea to pay for a one month subscription to The Bookseller, which will let you search the agent's name to see what deals come up. If there are none whatsoever, do a lot more digging. Not every deal is listed in the Bookseller, obviously, but if an agent is only selling books to very small publishers who don't pay advances, that raises some questions in itself. You should be able to find most decent agents mentioned somewhere.

I don't want to sound alarmist, but there is nothing more soul-destroying for a writer than to get The Email offering representation, only to realise that the agent isn't actually active within the industry. It's even worse if this realisation only comes years down the line. Doing some early research can prevent you ever sending your work to someone who is just going to waste your time.

Proper literary agents sell books to proper publishers. They have a clear history of doing deals for named clients, and they are connected to actual published books. They have clients who are actively writing and publishing books. They have clients who are publicly linked to them, on social media or on their website, or in the acknowledgements of recent books. They might appear at festivals or sit on panels. If they're on social media, they're likely to interact with other agents, with editors and with authors. They have a traceable history within the industry. They are visibly, actively agenting. If you have any doubts about an agent, don't submit to them. Good luck!

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