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Waiting on agents

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Hazelwood63 · 02/03/2023 15:58

Hello. I'm just looking for company on this long waiting game. Anyone else waiting to hear back from agents at the moment? I sent out five initial submissions at the end of January. So far I've received a really encouraging rejection and two requests for the full. Nothing from the other two so far. It's coming up to a month since I sent off the first full ms, and just over three weeks for the other one. Has anyone else waited over a month for a response to a full and been offered representation, or is it maybe time to think of moving on?

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Hazelwood63 · 13/05/2024 10:23

Hello. I haven't posted in a while, but so pleased this thread is still active, and hope it will still be going strong by the time I submit again in a month or so.
I'm just finishing work on the new draft of a novel I submitted back at the beginning of last year, but I sympathise with anyone waiting for news, and having to cope with rejections. It's a really tough, drawn out process, and if you're feeling particularly downhearted, I recommend reading (or re-reading) the Harriet Tyce blog that I posted further back on this thread. A reminder of what a very long journey it can be.
Brilliant advice from @kungfupannda all round.
For what it's worth, here's what I've learnt over the last few years.

In today's market, it seems your novel has to have something that makes it stand out from the submissions pile, a character, a theme, a story. Agents love great writing, of course, but they're also looking for that little glint of promise or magic.

The Mslexia Novel Competition offers general feedback taken from the overall submissions, and is very useful.

There is so much to learn about how to craft a marketable novel, a basic knowledge of the three act structure is helpful to have for a start, even if you choose not to adhere to it, just to have an awareness of your mid-point etc.

There has to be a reason for the reader/agent to keep turning the pages. Every scene or chapter must earn its keep. (And further along, pretty much every line too!)

I've posted further back about the various courses I've discovered along the way, so won't repeat it all here, but I feel I've learnt a huge amount from all of them.

Good luck to everyone. I'm grateful for this online companionship.

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NewWriter · 13/05/2024 22:03

lovely to hear from you @Hazelwood63 , I was wondering how everyone was getting on from earlier in the thread! Exciting to hear that you will be submitting soon - and thank you for sharing your advice from over the past year! I'm definitely going to dip my toe into competitions once I've done querying this novel.

I'm planning to send some more queries tomorrow and would welcome thoughts on approach. When an agent says send in first three chapters or 50 pages, should I send in 50 pages if my chapters are very short? That's what I've been doing so far but now wondering if it might be better to send in 3 very tight chapters instead...

Bex5490 · 14/05/2024 12:57

Hi everyone!!!

My gorgeous baby is 7 weeks now so I am back to feeling almost human!

I am totally in the @LuciferRising faze though and now feel like my novel is awful and I can’t stand even looking at it! It has been officially rejected from all my queries now but they do say most writers don’t find success with their first project! So I’m looking on the bright side and a few chapters into a new book!

@NewWriter and @splothersdog Hoping so much for the right agent to pick up your books!

@Hazelwood63 thanks for starting this great thread and your wonderful advice. I would love to go on a writing course at some point so will definitely read back over your posts.

I love the idea of becoming part of a little community of new or querying writers. Maybe we could all meet for a coffee in person one day - hopefully to celebrate that one of our books has been published! ❤️❤️❤️

splothersdog · 14/05/2024 20:03

Thank you @Bex5490
Second rejection today. On we go!

kungfupannda · 15/05/2024 09:19

NewWriter · 13/05/2024 22:03

lovely to hear from you @Hazelwood63 , I was wondering how everyone was getting on from earlier in the thread! Exciting to hear that you will be submitting soon - and thank you for sharing your advice from over the past year! I'm definitely going to dip my toe into competitions once I've done querying this novel.

I'm planning to send some more queries tomorrow and would welcome thoughts on approach. When an agent says send in first three chapters or 50 pages, should I send in 50 pages if my chapters are very short? That's what I've been doing so far but now wondering if it might be better to send in 3 very tight chapters instead...

I think the 3 chapters/50 pages thing is to allow for a natural cut-off point, ie you don't have to miss off the last page of chapter 3 if that happens to be page 51. An average length chapter is around 3000-5000 words, so you should probably be submitting something between 10000 and 15000 words.

kungfupannda · 15/05/2024 09:22

Would it be helpful if I put together a list of some of the most useful things I've picked up about writing/submitting? It might be a fairly random collection of advice but I keep thinking of things that are useful to know, but don't directly answer some of the questions on here.

And yes, I have a book out next week and loads to do, and am therefore arsing about on the internet instead, in an attempt to calm the irrational panic that has predictably set in...

Bex5490 · 15/05/2024 10:11

kungfupannda · 15/05/2024 09:22

Would it be helpful if I put together a list of some of the most useful things I've picked up about writing/submitting? It might be a fairly random collection of advice but I keep thinking of things that are useful to know, but don't directly answer some of the questions on here.

And yes, I have a book out next week and loads to do, and am therefore arsing about on the internet instead, in an attempt to calm the irrational panic that has predictably set in...

Yes please!!!

Bex5490 · 15/05/2024 10:12

And huge congratulations on the book!

NewWriter · 15/05/2024 16:24

So exciting @kungfupannda , happy book day for next week! Would love to hear any advice you have that you have picked up over the years. I have just overhauled my synopsis and feeling a bit rubbish about my previous synopsis that I sent out to some agents that I really liked - think it was too vague. But it's a learning process I guess!

You're doing amazing @Bex5490 pursuing your passion while having a 7 week old! Would love to have a little supportive community of us. Maybe one day we could set up a whatsapp group like I had with my mumsnet group from when I had my eldest. But I could also see people also wanting to remain anonymous which is totally fine and we can just keep using this thread if people want to retain anonymity!

Onwards, @splothersdog ! Hope you get some good news soon! I haven't had any more and tbh now I know my synopsis wasn't written correctly I'm not expecting many more responses to this batch... Sent out 3 queries today, going to try to send a few more out tomorrow and then I'm going on holiday with some friends and our kids so will pause for a while again!

NewWriter · 15/05/2024 16:51

Sorry @splothersdog I just realised my onwards message might seem insensitive - that's just what I always say to myself!! This querying process is so hard so I hope you feel proud of yourself for completing a novel that's so good that you are sending it out for representation.

LuciferRising · 16/05/2024 08:32

@Bex5490 congratulations with the young baby! I've added a new start to my novel hoping it will tackle some of the feedback. I wanted to be ready to query this summer, but I am not sure I will be. I've joined an online writers circle, or whatever you call them. I do pay a subscription, but I have found it great for feedback on snippets. I'll be using it for beta readers soon.

@kungfupannda that would be amazing!

InfiniteTeas · 21/05/2024 07:11

Sorry, I will do the list as soon as I can. The run up to launch has been manic - mostly in a good way, although there is a load of stuff that I've left to the last minute and am now frantically trying to get done! I've also hit the level of pre-launch panic that means that arsing about on the internet is no longer helping! I should get something together later in the week.

NewWriter · 21/05/2024 16:08

@InfiniteTeas of course! take your time with the list - good luck with all the things you need to get done ahead of the book launch! How exciting!!

splothersdog · 21/05/2024 18:47

@NewWriter I didn't think it was insensitive at all.
@InfiniteTeas great news about your book , congratulations.

I have had a third no thank you, which logically I know is totally expected and usual but not going to lie, finding it brutal.

NewWriter · 21/05/2024 21:59

@splothersdog I am awaiting more rejections, think I am at the stage you were at the other week where you were talking about how awful the silence is... I read somewhere today that some writers buy themselves a box of chocolates when they're querying and eat a chocolate every time they get a rejection they eat a chocolate so they at least get something good out of the process. Thought that was a good idea! (hopefully won't result in me hating chocolate!)

HelloEverybody · 22/05/2024 06:38

@NewWriter Box of chocolates!! Ooh! I like the sound of that. Or should I say, the taste!!
I’ve had no luck with my querying so far so I should be on box 2 at least. Lots of catch up to do!
So nice to see so much activity on the group recently. @kungfupannda Thank you so much for offering to share some tips. I can’t wait to read about your experience.

kungfupannda · 22/05/2024 07:04

No idea why MN keeps flipping me between my old username and my new one. Reverting to the old one and will try to make it stick!

NewWriter · 22/05/2024 14:08

It's a good idea isn't it @HelloEverybody ! I am owed two chocolates. 4 weeks since I started querying. If I don't hear from some in the next four then it's an automatic pass. Have started the outline for my next story, going to focus on that for a bit I think before I revisit my complete manuscript and try to figure out where I've gone wrong ( might be my synopsis where I went wrong actually....)

Moonflowered · 23/05/2024 09:48

Bex5490 · 14/05/2024 12:57

Hi everyone!!!

My gorgeous baby is 7 weeks now so I am back to feeling almost human!

I am totally in the @LuciferRising faze though and now feel like my novel is awful and I can’t stand even looking at it! It has been officially rejected from all my queries now but they do say most writers don’t find success with their first project! So I’m looking on the bright side and a few chapters into a new book!

@NewWriter and @splothersdog Hoping so much for the right agent to pick up your books!

@Hazelwood63 thanks for starting this great thread and your wonderful advice. I would love to go on a writing course at some point so will definitely read back over your posts.

I love the idea of becoming part of a little community of new or querying writers. Maybe we could all meet for a coffee in person one day - hopefully to celebrate that one of our books has been published! ❤️❤️❤️

Edited

Just checking in and catching up with posts from the last couple of weeks, because I'm absolutely at the "can’t stand even looking at it" stage now and trying to put off writing anything at all today.

I sent another batch of queries this week, so now I'm sitting back to wait for the tumbleweed... 50% ghosting rate from earlier queries, including one full that really hurts after hearing the agent was really enjoying the opening section (six months ago).

Hope you're enjoying your new project @Bex5490 , and thanks for the wise querying advice @kungfupannda - good luck with your launch week! Good luck to everyone else with queries out in the world too.

NewWriter · 23/05/2024 19:53

Another rejection for me! This one stung a lot less. I've learnt a lot since I started querying and I think I've made a lot of rookie mistakes - too vague a synopsis etc etc. I'm expecting the rest of my queries to get rejected/ignored. I was going to start on my new project but think I'm gonna spend some time reworking my manuscript - especially the opening chapters. Not expecting anyone to ask for a full manuscript anymore!

HelloEverybody · 23/05/2024 23:27

@NewWriter I’m sorry to read about your rejection but I think you’re doing the right thing to have a review of your submission package. it’s sure heartbreaking to receive a no after a manuscript request. But equally to receive consistent rejections w/o request also means you’re unable to know if as a whole your manuscript is good enough or not, as no agent has really taken a chance to read it (for understandable reasons). It sometimes means that only the first chapters, query letter and/or synopsis needs revision. You’re on the right course.

NewWriter · 26/05/2024 21:33

Thanks @HelloEverybody it feels like I'm going through the process I need to to learn some valuable lessons. It feels so good to focus on something I'm genuinely passionate about, it's not something I ever gave time for before. I've now signed up to attend a writing Festival next month - there are loads of workshops I'm interested in doing and I've booked a couple of agent one to ones. I'm really excited to learn more about the craft of writing and also learning more about how to get representation for a finished manuscript!

LuciferRising · 26/05/2024 21:37

NewWriter · 26/05/2024 21:33

Thanks @HelloEverybody it feels like I'm going through the process I need to to learn some valuable lessons. It feels so good to focus on something I'm genuinely passionate about, it's not something I ever gave time for before. I've now signed up to attend a writing Festival next month - there are loads of workshops I'm interested in doing and I've booked a couple of agent one to ones. I'm really excited to learn more about the craft of writing and also learning more about how to get representation for a finished manuscript!

It's sounds like a festival I was looking at. I'd love to know how it goes.

HelloEverybody · 26/05/2024 21:58

@NewWriter @LuciferRising
This is so funny, I am almost certainly going to the same festival, if located in London-Hammersmith. I would love to meet there if you don’t mind lifting the veil of anonymity. Otherwise we can still definitely share our feedback here 😊

NewWriter · 26/05/2024 22:56

@LuciferRising of course, will let you know how it goes! I really like the look of it and I have loads to learn.

@HelloEverybody sounds like it's the same one! Very much up for meeting up there, would love to make some writer friends. Will you be going to the gala? If you're happy to we can exchange numbers on PM, planning to go on my own so I won't know anyone already!