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Writing ebooks- any advice?

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Xtraincome · 28/11/2021 23:23

Hi guys,

I am eager to start my writing journey but am not sure which platform to use for self-publishing. I want to get real feedback on my writing and start submitting to magazines as well.

I have quite a few books and am subscribed to Mslexia (would highly recommend it to those of you who aren't already members) but any further groups, books, podcasts or even personal preferences of self-publishing platforms would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much
🙂

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 29/11/2021 07:56

If you’re at the start of your writing journey you don’t need a publishing platform - publishing is not the way to get feedback. You need a critique group.
Have a look for real life groups in your local area. Online is all very well but in real life you are able to build the level of trust that means you can really be honest about each other’s work and support each other on your journey.

Birdsnesting · 29/11/2021 22:32

Exactly what @TheCountessofFitzdotterel said. You need a good critique group, and not to be thinking about publishing now. But the single best thing you can do is to read widely in the genre you write in.

Xtraincome · 29/11/2021 22:39

Hi guys. Sorry for delay. I work as a TA and staff shortages are rife. I think this is first time I've done something for myself all day.

@birdsnesting I am piling through my genre with gusto at the minute but could definitely do with a different style within it.

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel
I took your advice and scoured FB for some local groups and have sent an email to my local library as I know they had a group there before Covid.

Thanks so much guys, will realign my pathway towards publishing and join some groups.

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themental · 29/11/2021 23:25

Not disagreeing with the other posters, purely sharing another perspective/ journey.

I make a living from my writing and I've never joined a critique group. When I started I thought this was some golden rule that can never be broken and asked an author friend for critique on the first few chapters. She had a complete hissy fit when I didn't implement her changes (which were 100% style choices and things like grammar - which essentially is a style choice when you're writing first person). Or word changes which were either a waste of time or just not something that would be in the character's vocabulary anyway.

I'm sure most find them really helpful but for me, it depends if the person is critiquing as a writer or critiquing as a reader. If a writer, do you even like their writing? And if you do, what are you learning from having them critique something you've already written that you wouldn't learn from reading more of their work and writing something new?

Readers are different. They know if something is boring them, or it's too confusing or predictable, or it kept them up all night, or they hated X character when she was supposed to be likeable. You get better at the actual words and sentences the more you practice and find your voice, it's the stuff up there that readers notice that takes actual talent / hard work / effort IMO and you're not going to get any of that by posting a single chapter for a bunch of amateur / unpublished / unsuccessful writers with maybe a slight chance you find someone who knows what they're talking about and you like what they're talking about.

That's just my two pennies.

And none of that means you should just publish any old shite either - I'm not advocating for that.

What I did was put the "from the heart" books to the side and wrote and published erotica for a while.

Why?

  • The readers have extremely low expectations. Have you read some of the stuff on Amazon? If you can write English better than a ten year old you'll have a leg up. So you don't need to overthink it or rewrite it or play around with a comma for an entire afternoon. Just write as fast as you can, and work on building up stamina. I still write relatively fast even though I don't plot, usually 4k/day and maybe more in the evening if its a passion project but I can do 10k on a deadline. And now I know some things about some things, the first draft is just as clean as a final draft and ready for the line editor.
  • It's short. Longer definitely sells, but why slog away on a 50k novel that the market didn't want when you could write 10 x 5k short stories and see what sticks? Even writing pretty slowly at 500wph is 10 hours work, which can be done over a weekend. You'll get far more experience writing 10 different 5k stories than someone who rewrites the same thing three times. Play with the pacing / dialogue / chapter endings / character voice / tense and practice making readers things you want them to feel.

If you can do that then you're essentially going through the entire self-pub process in the space of a long weekend. That's analysing the market to see what people are buying and how [insert what you'd ideally like to sell] meshes with that. Working out how the people looking for what you're selling are going to find it. Studying covers and either diy (fine for erotica) or pay $20 on fiver. Formatting. Keywords. Blurbs. Starting a newsletter. Learning how the ranks work. Spotting organic books from complete flops. Spotting books that are likely to take off if you put a bit of marketing spend behind them (don't spend a penny in erotica, but invaluable skill when you move to your chosen genre).

And of course, reviews. What are readers saying?

I found my beta reader who is absolutely fantastic and knows my current genre inside out after she read my third attempt at erotica (which was terrible if we're talking nuts and bolts of writing!) and reached out to me on facebook gushing over how much she liked the male lead.

So... three books in I know at least one thing I'm doing right, and I do it again.

Two years later I no longer write erotica shorts. I'm lucky to get a book under 70k.

But if your goal is to learn about the market of selling books, and you want a career and you want money, I think starting out publishing shit erotica is one of the best ways to start. I know a fair amount of top 100 ebook authors and they all started out doing that before moving into more serious genres.

Basically an apprenticeship where you can earn while you learn 🤷🏻‍♀️ (and get a few folks rocks off if you're good at it...)

Skysblue · 29/11/2021 23:33

I dislike critique groups, the chances of finding good advisors who are capable of constructive criticism and who also write in your genre are very slim.

Join the Facebook group 20booksto50k, all the info you need is there.

Xtraincome · 30/11/2021 21:51

@Skysblue I have joined that group and love it so far. Have sent a lot of posts about Nomowrimo and I have started learning about that practice aswell!

@themental I would love to hear more about writing erotica as I know a lot of writers do it to practice and refine their skills. I know millsandboon are asking for submissions. Do you/did you only sell erotica on Amazon or did you have another platform?

Thank you again guys I feel super pumped and I have a feeling 2022 is my year for self-publishing. I am goal setting from tomorrow so as the new year starts I'm on my way!

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Storminamu · 01/12/2021 22:31

@themental - that sounds like very sensible advice. The idea of writing some practice books in a sense, but publishing them under a pen name, and then starting again once you're reasonably good at writing, is a great idea. But can you actually make real money out of very short erotic books? And why is the standard of writing so low in books that actually sell?

themental · 02/01/2022 15:56

@Storminamu Yes absolutely. Obviously the better you are at "passive marketing" the more money you will make. Longer books sell better, but you can work your way up to writing longer books.

I just checked my figures and a 40k erotic work I did very early on made £2,756.29 over the first year it was published. Total expenses were $35 on a cover. (I didn't have an editor at that point). Now, if it takes you an entire year to write 40k that's not very good and you'd need a day job to support you, but I wrote that in about 2 weeks alongside working full time and being a single parent which isn't half bad at all. It's about learning how to write fast and learning how to write WELL while you're writing fast. Writing to an existing market, understanding what they want and giving it to them EXACTLY how they want it.

themental · 02/01/2022 16:04

@Xtraincome I only sell via Amazon to take advantage of the Kindle Unlimited scheme. That's where readers can borrow your books for free, and you get paid for the amount of pages they read. So you're trying to write the books with that in mind i.e the goal is to keep the reader turning the pages. Fast paced, "simple" writing (to appeal to as many readers as possible taking into account the average reading age in the US is like 12 or something) cliffhangers at the end of every chapter etc.

Next year I am moving into different genres and will publish wide, primarily thanks to the skills I learned and the $$ I made publishing in Kindle Unlimited. I'm also toying with the idea of starting a "publishing house" for KU specific erotic romance since I know the market inside out, so if you're thinking of submitting to Mills&Boon and it doesn't happen feel free to PM me :-)

AFAIK Mills&Boon is still mostly in the Romance market which is slightly different to erotica. The standards are a bit higher, and you'll have to follow quite a specific "map" in order to meet reader's expectations i.e the meet cute must happen by X words, the dark moment must happen at X words etc. It's a little harder for starting out. The sweet spot I would say is if you can write erotica that fits in both markets. But that's why I advise getting started with pure erotica while you learn the market.

Xtraincome · 03/01/2022 10:22

@themental

Thank you for all that. I have read some erotica books and am excited to start a brand for myself for marketing etc- I feel as though this genre is really fun. I have enjoyed writing it so far, although I do need to polish it a bit. Do you have FB/insta/website for your erotica work? Are you under different pen names for different genres?

KU is the go-to for almost all ebook writers which gives me a great starting place. I prefer erotica to romance so may just carry on sprucing/fluffing 😁 my short erotica story.

I have my first fiction novel started as well- Scrivener is an ace programme! But I love the idea of finding your voice through a different genre.

Really great insight, thank you again and Good Luck on starting a Publishing House- will keep you updated with my progress.

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