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I'm a Ghostwriter. Ask me anything

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Saggingninja · 01/07/2019 11:33

And yes I should be writing! Grin Grin

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Zilla1 · 01/07/2019 18:44

Hi,

Do you also write under your own name/pseudonym or only as a ghost?

Do you write in a single genre or are you genre fluid?

RedSheep73 · 01/07/2019 18:46

Don't you mind when your work gets passed off as someone else's?

supercalifragilistic123 · 01/07/2019 18:46

Can you make a proper living from ghost writing?

Did you choose to ghost write or kind of fall into it?

BloodyhellMartha · 01/07/2019 18:46

Ooh. Does it not piss you off that you have the talent and yet 'Katie Price' or someone is selling huge amounts of her autobiography without being able to write a letter, never mind a book?

Fluffiest · 01/07/2019 18:47

Written any trashy celebrity autobiographies?

Fairyjuice · 01/07/2019 18:53

Ooh I'm a ghostwriter too! Do you use an agent or freelance? Do you write novels or content? I do a mixture of both, though haven't done a novel for a while now.

Fairyjuice · 01/07/2019 18:55

Oh and do you have any plans to write your own novel someday?

ItsWitchingTime · 01/07/2019 21:50

How did you get into it?
How hard is it to get into?
What are the deadlines like?
Do you have any tips for writing?

shivermetimbers77 · 01/07/2019 21:57

How does the process work? How much involevement does the 'author' usually have? (Im guessing it varies, but in your experience what has the range been from least to most involvement by the 'author' in the process?)

FromDespairToHere · 01/07/2019 21:58

Do you ever get over-invested in your client? I know a chap who is a ghost writer and he wrote for a victim of a famous crime, the perpetrator of which caught people's attention. The subject ended up killing himself and the chap I know ended up in a bad place himself because he'd got very close to the victim.

FromDespairToHere · 01/07/2019 21:58

Sorry, that's quite dark for what's supposed to be a lighthearted thread!

PeriComoToes · 01/07/2019 21:59

We've been ghosted

Saggingninja · 02/07/2019 11:21

Sorry – I just popped out to do some work and came back to see all these questions. Ok:
I’m genre fluid as I also write scripts, and I haven’t written any trash celeb biogs (I was asked to write one for a very right wing person in the USA and couldn’t bear the idea of spending time with this person so turned it down). I do mainly non-fiction.

Involvement? Well it’s best if you can just get on with it and then show the ‘writer’ what you’ve done. It’s really difficult when they think that the ideas they’ve drunkenly rambled down the phone at 2am is a Great Idea and then they get upset when you don’t include it. Many many people love the idea of being a writer but don’t want to do the actual work and this includes most cookery books and about 80% of all non-fiction.

I’ve been very lucky so far and my voice has melded with the author’s voice. I have a book out right now and the author wrote a really nice acknowledgement but quite often – especially when you’re starting you are lucky to get a grudging yeah thanks for the ‘editing’. Although to be fair Katie Price was always very open about the fact that Rebecca Farnworth wrote all her books.
There is a slight sting when you read good reviews and think ‘that’s me’ and you see the ‘author’ soaking up all the praise but I just think – hey the publishing industry knows and that’s what matters. You do have to leave your ego at the door.

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RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 02/07/2019 11:25

How did you start - were you already an established writer and your agent then pimped you to slebs or a publishing house?
How much money do you make on average per year (when you aggregate it with good year/barren times)?
When did you know you could live off it or do you have a second job?

Saggingninja · 02/07/2019 11:27

Witching Time I got into it because I was introduced to my agent by a friend and he is particularly good at matching ghostwriters with authors. I was recommended for a project and got it. I do think that an agent is very important for ghosts – just so you get a decent wodge of money. So many people will say – ‘I’ve got this great idea for a book’ and expect you to write the whole thing, edit and sell it and then they very graciously offer you 30% if the book sells. To which you can only say, ‘Well write it yourself then you lazy fucker.’

There’s a very interesting piece by Andrew O’Hagan about him spending time with Julian Assange because he was going to write a memoir or rather ghost a memoir, but he ended up finding Assange so difficult to work with – the whole thing sounded nightmarish. It’s well worth a read. And of course there are plenty of celebs who use the line, ‘I’m too busy to write my own books!’ even though there are loads of doctors who have written books and work about 80 hours per week! That whole debacle about Gemma Collins in Now, not being able to answer questions about the book she ‘supposedly’ wrote is a case in point.

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Saggingninja · 02/07/2019 11:30

Rage I do have a second job because I want to be able to turn down work – but I do this second job from home and enjoy it. The money depends entirely on the agent. When you start it’s usually a flat fee – roughly about £8 - £15K for a whole book but when you get established you can start to demand royalties and your name on the cover.

The very worst clients are often middle age men who are successful in other areas and can’t bear to face up to the fact they can’t write. They won’t leave you alone, micro manage and criticise constantly. Funny that!

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RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 02/07/2019 11:31

How much research do you have to do for non-fic? Is it based on a sleb or their agent's idea/premise but you have to turn it into an actual manuscript? If the book won a prize would you not win it then?
How do the publishing industry know you - is it all very cliquey/in the know/small world/open secret?
Has David Walliams got a ghost writer?

Bentley111 · 02/07/2019 11:34

Following with interest!
Were you an established writer before you became a ghostwriter?
Have you published your own work under your own name?
How would one go about becoming a ghost writer?
Is your second job writing based?

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 02/07/2019 11:38

How long does an assignment last?
How many words do you write a day?
What would your advice be to a novice writer?
What is your favourite book fiction/non fiction/favourite play and favourite short story?
Do ghost writers have their own award ceremonies?
What would be your ideal assignment/who would be your ideal client?
Why is Humour such a difficult category (they did not award a prize this year iirc) and what is the funniest thing you have read?

Many thanks for answering these Flowers Brew Cake

Saggingninja · 02/07/2019 11:54

I want to answer these questions properly but (irony) I have to finish some work! Promise to come back a little later. x

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diplodoco · 02/07/2019 12:03

Thanks for answering op. I would love to be a ghost writer! If you were just starting out now how would you get into it?

Dishclout · 02/07/2019 15:55

What did you think of Jennie Erdal's Ghosting?

Saggingninja · 02/07/2019 16:44

Diplodoco –

were I starting out now I would join one of the Facebook groups on ghostwriting as they seem to be very generous in offering tips and leads. I would also set my sights on an agent as fast as possible. I only got one out of luck – being introduced. I had some work behind me but had I just applied on my own I might well have been ignored – I was introduced by a friend.

As I mentioned earlier, one of the biggest issues with writing is that readers and the celeb who is hiring you just sees the end result and can often presume that it’s ‘easy’. It’s ok when you’re getting a decent wedge but there are so many people out there who say, ‘ooh can you write me a novel as I’m the IDEAS PERSON ie they have one crappy idea’ and then look aghast when you point out that a novel goes through several drafts or a non-fiction book needs RESEARCH and hard work and rewrites.

JFK denied to his dying day that all his speeches were written by Ted Sorensen. They were written by Ted Sorensen.

How to go about being a ghostwriter? There are loads of good informative articles out there. Anything by Andrew Croft is worth a read. I do think you need to do some writing of your own first – to mimic someone else’s voice you need to find your own first.
thewritelife.com/how-to-become-a-ghostwriter/

Is my second job writing based? Yes it is.

Rage Against the Vending Machine – ha ha – great name
How long does an assignment last?

Depends – you knew I was going to say that! I’ve just seen a book come out that took me six months to write and I squeezed it in between my day job. When people say, ‘I wish I could write if I had the time’ I snigger as though writers have more hours in the day than anyone else.

How many words do you write a day?
I wish I was more disciplined frankly. I aim for 1000. The word being ‘aim’.

What would your advice be to a novice writer?
Discover your own voice first. Write a blog, or a journal but write. And read – read voraciously. That’s not me, it’s Stephen King.

What is your favourite book fiction/non fiction/favourite play and favourite short story?

Favorite book is Alias Grace by Margaret Attwood. I also love Marian Keyes and loathe how women writers are sneered at for writing ‘chick lit’. Men who write about relationships are not scoffed at. Play – Posh by Laura Wade about the Bullingdon Club.

Do ghost writers have their own award ceremonies?
Can you imagine? I wouldn’t want to be invited to a book launch – I’d be like the mad drunk aunty who everyone is worried might LEAK THE SECRET.

What would be your ideal assignment/who would be your ideal client?
One who trusts me to get on with it and shuts up. I don’t want your ‘thoughts’ at 2am thank you very much.

Why is Humour such a difficult category (they did not award a prize this year iirc) and what is the funniest thing you have read?

Comedy is fucking hard. A successful sitcom is the gold standard. And when comedy goes wrong it seems to make people very angry. It irritates me that people are ‘experts’ at comedy when they just sit on their arses watching it. I don’t mean you don’t have the right to an opinion but you really think you can do better? Go on then. 27 minutes with a joke every 30 seconds please.

David Walliams writes his own stuff. But most and when I say 'most' I mean 99% of celeb books are ghosted.

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Saggingninja · 02/07/2019 16:45

I haven't read Ghosting but have just ordered it!! Thanks. x

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Saggingninja · 02/07/2019 16:49

I did love 'Fleabag' but I also think 'Mum' is hugely underrated. I adored 'Father Ted' as I'm Oirish though. I thought 'Rev' was lovely too. And I think the best comedy ever is Frasier - pure poetry. But US comedy is written in teams as I'm sure you know. The funniest book I ever read was something called 'Augustus Carp' the story of an utterly pompous twat in Victorian England. It was 'Anonymous'.

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