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New petition to put refugee camp at Killiney beach

35 replies

eastcarolina · 04/08/2024 20:27

Hi all,

just happened across this petition in a Facebook group today. Looks like it was only recently created, but does anyone know the legal weight of this if it gains momentum?

The site is only 300 metres from Holy Child Secondary school.. not to mention that stretch of beach being popular with young and older people alike. Would the council have to consider this if the petition is successful?

www.change.org/killiney_emergency_accomodation

OP posts:
WickieRoy · 04/08/2024 22:53

TheYearOfSmallThings · 04/08/2024 22:45

Have we considered the possibility that the proposal might not be 100% serious?

Well I'm presuming the proposal was made to make a point.

OP just backing that point up.

Abhannmor · 05/08/2024 08:26

I suspect the people behind this are just trying to make a point. Namely that asylum centres are mostly in working class districts - where housing, schools and clinics are already under severe pressure. Nobody seriously thinks housing ppl on a beach is going to work. This is just to embarrass Bono and the other hand wringing liberal capitalists who live there - and pay no tax.
As an unreconstruced old socialist I think there's plenty of money for housing and the rest of our problems. What is lacking is the will to spend it on the right things. And that's not multimillionaire landlords who snapped up old schools and convents back in the 80s and 90s.

Abhannmor · 05/08/2024 08:54

Ps @eastcarolina I think you're right , most people around Ballybrack , Killiney etc are dead on. My old school/ Gulag in DLR was an asylum centre for a while. This cheered me up no end - to think at least someone was happy in that miserable kip!

MarieDeGournay · 05/08/2024 10:43

Abhannmor · 05/08/2024 08:26

I suspect the people behind this are just trying to make a point. Namely that asylum centres are mostly in working class districts - where housing, schools and clinics are already under severe pressure. Nobody seriously thinks housing ppl on a beach is going to work. This is just to embarrass Bono and the other hand wringing liberal capitalists who live there - and pay no tax.
As an unreconstruced old socialist I think there's plenty of money for housing and the rest of our problems. What is lacking is the will to spend it on the right things. And that's not multimillionaire landlords who snapped up old schools and convents back in the 80s and 90s.

Right, so... this is 100% disinformation, completely false, intentionally circulated to cause whataboutery between different areas and somehow 'embarrass Bono' ..
Unfortunately there are people who believe that kind of stuff, and some of them with petrol cans and lighters act on it.

There are refugee centres where there are available premises. Some of these are in working class areas, some are in provincial towns, and some are in places like 'leafy' Dun Laoghaire and Blackrock, i.e. very close to Killiney Beach.

So far, no NIMBYist resident of leafy Dublin 4 has burnt down the old Baggot Street Hospital in case it's used to house refugees. In fact, they have been campaigning for that for years.

Abhannmor · 05/08/2024 11:50

MarieDeGournay · 05/08/2024 10:43

Right, so... this is 100% disinformation, completely false, intentionally circulated to cause whataboutery between different areas and somehow 'embarrass Bono' ..
Unfortunately there are people who believe that kind of stuff, and some of them with petrol cans and lighters act on it.

There are refugee centres where there are available premises. Some of these are in working class areas, some are in provincial towns, and some are in places like 'leafy' Dun Laoghaire and Blackrock, i.e. very close to Killiney Beach.

So far, no NIMBYist resident of leafy Dublin 4 has burnt down the old Baggot Street Hospital in case it's used to house refugees. In fact, they have been campaigning for that for years.

I'm sure a lot of DLR heads would be quite tolerant - nothing especially leafy about it when I lived there. The motivation for the petition is what I was addressing. As I said I doubt anyone thinks it will succeed.
However I wish I was a sanguine as you about social cohesion here. There is a lot of opposition to council housing being built in or even adjacent to new estates.

MarieDeGournay · 06/08/2024 10:00

Abhannmor · 05/08/2024 11:50

I'm sure a lot of DLR heads would be quite tolerant - nothing especially leafy about it when I lived there. The motivation for the petition is what I was addressing. As I said I doubt anyone thinks it will succeed.
However I wish I was a sanguine as you about social cohesion here. There is a lot of opposition to council housing being built in or even adjacent to new estates.

That's a good point about trying to build much-needed accommodation, Abhannmor, everything is opposed!

There was a development of timber-framed houses in Dublin that was opposed because they weren't 'proper' houses - I heard one of the protestors say on TV 'They're putting people into garden sheds!'

Then there were houses made from shipping containers - a tried and tested way to produce high quality, well insulated homes quickly and cheaply. Nope, they are 'putting poor people in boxes'.

Then there were 'co-living' apartments, studio apartments augmented by common spaces including gyms, laundries etc. which work well in other cities, especially for younger professional people. These were 'like prisons' [obviously that particular protestor has never seen an actual prison!] and 'the tenements of the future'.

None of these - timber-framed, shipping container, co-living - was going to be the perfect solution for everyone, but each of them, build to a high standard, would have chipped away at the housing crisis. For instance, co-living apartments are favoured by workers in the IT industry, and Ireland is becoming less attractive to that industry because there's nowhere for the workforce to live.

And refugee accommodation - 'we don't want unvetted males living near us' [I think they mean non-Irish unvetted males, the country is full of unvetted males!] but when accommodation is proposed away from highly-populated areas, THAT gets the tricolour-and-petrol-can treatment too.

Somebody once said that we as a people 'hate the disease, but hate the cure more'. Every time a solution is proposed, maybe good, maybe bad, but worth considering, it's blocked, like the social housing projects you mention.

deeahgwitch · 15/08/2024 15:47

I'm just wondering what the pretty (cheaper) girls school just down the coast is @WickieRoy

WickieRoy · 15/08/2024 16:19

deeahgwitch · 15/08/2024 15:47

I'm just wondering what the pretty (cheaper) girls school just down the coast is @WickieRoy

Sorry not going to name it so I can keep some pretence of not completely outing myself, but I can only think of the two all girls schools right on the shore in that neck of the woods.

deeahgwitch · 15/08/2024 19:59

@WickieRoy
L in D

WickieRoy · 15/08/2024 20:00

Yup Smile

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