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Ian Bailey has died

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Taytocrisps · 21/01/2024 16:07

I'm sure you all know that he was the chief suspect in the murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier. I guess we'll never know for sure if he was the murderer. I'm sorry for Sophie's son who probably feels that he has been denied justice.

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Psychoticbreak · 21/01/2024 16:26

I watched the documentary some years ago. I guess it will be now an unsolvecd crime forever.

Carmelita76 · 21/01/2024 16:28

I believe that he didn't do it. He has asked so many times for a proper review of the case. Apparently a cold case review is currently being done and Bailey was frustrated that he wasn't interviewed for it. His health has been poor for a number of years.

Mummy2Sienna · 21/01/2024 16:30

Wow. I find that case really chilling, have listened to the West Cork podcast and read about it. I’ve vacillated between thinking he was guilty and maybe not but come round to thinking it just have been him - and was actually quite frightened that he was walking around freely given what he was capable of (not just Sophie’s murder, potentially, but the horrific amount of violence he meted out on his partner).

I wonder if his partner will now speak out - she may know more that she’s been scared to say.

Abhannmor · 21/01/2024 17:20

Last time I saw him was summer 22 in Bantry and Glengarriff. He seemed in good enough spirits. But he was leaning heavily on his walking stick I noticed. He didn't seem especially threatening to me . But having said that , he was a big man and would have been a different proposition in 1996.

I too oscillate. Was he just a braggart and pub bore with artistic pretensions - of which there are many in West Cork? Or.....?

Celia24 · 21/01/2024 17:32

I also find it hard to believe he did it but there was so much uncertainty.

A policeman who has since died was the suggested killer at one point. Seems possible given the force apparently lost a gate with blood on it!?

But ultimately feel sorry for her son the family.

JaneJeffer · 21/01/2024 17:39

I watched the documentary and I didn't know what to make of him. He loved the attention for sure.

AncientBallerina · 21/01/2024 17:57

He admitted it to several people. He had a history of terrible violence to his partner. There is no other named suspect.

Carmelita76 · 21/01/2024 19:55

His 'admissions' were ridiculous....

He gave a 14 year old boy he knew a lift home (common in Schull) and said it to him, when asked how he was, "I was fine until I went up there and bashed her head in". The boy mentioned it to his Mum a few days later - she went to the Guards about it. In the sham trial in France it was the mother who went and not the man (who had been 14).

He was talking on the phone to an Editor a week or so after the murder and she said 'you know that your name is being mentioned ' and he said something like ' yes, case closed, it was me'. That woman told the Guards he had "admitted to it'! He just had a silly way of going about things - his idea of a dark joke.

He and Jules were drinking with a couple a year later and he apparently said it to the couple. They went home that night and drank with them the following day in a village pub. The couple didn't say anything to the Guards until six months later.

Jules and Ian both had issues with alcohol. He was wrong to violently assault her but that doesn't mean he murdered Sophie.

Other suspects could include:

Her husband - who didn't even come over for about a week! Her family repeatedly had to tell him that he must come. He had a baby with another woman within about 18 months of the murder.

An ex boyfriend - I think his name was Bruce? He had previously tried to choke her on the Paris Metro - this is documented. He had also sent her threatening letters in the post. He had been to the house in West cork.

Someone was squatting/using her house - she had changed the locks six months before her death as she was convinced someone was going in there when she was away.

A German man who lived about a kilometre from her - can't remember his name. He had moved there with his partner but she left saying he was abusive to her. He committed suicide about six weeks after the murder. Guards never talked to him.

There are a few others too...listen to the West Cork podcast and read about the case.

There is absolutely no evidence at all that Bailey committed the crime. He had been drinking heavily that evening. Would he have been able to walk the 6 or so kilometres to her house, commit this murder without leaving any trace of his blood, skin, etc and walk back? There was no motive? (He shared a car with Jules - it was driven the next day, hadn't just been cleaned. There were two of her daughters and a friend of theirs in the house too I think).

Marie Farrell was a disgrace. Talked absolute rubbish.

The Guards messed up here - they were so focused on Bailey and determined to make him 'fit' the crime as he was odd. It is possible he did it but innocent until proven guilty.

There is a cold case review of this on at the moment.. Bailey has repeatedly asked to be interviewed by them but I don't think he was given the opportunity.

It's a fascinating case.. and it's fascinating that so many people say it was him, despite knowing very little about the case.

ChanelNo19EDT · 21/01/2024 20:00

Can t believe the comments under the headlines that he,s dead. You'd swear he was some poor innocent, persecuted, all this "rip mate". He was the black sheep of the town.. He was at the very least an extremely dangerous drunken regular domestic abuser. His partner regularly ended up in hospital.

The paramedicss who have him cpr for 20 minutes are true professionals. I would have given it 3 minutes.

Carriemac · 21/01/2024 20:44

He was banned from the skibberenn market last year for indecent exposure

ChanelNo19EDT · 21/01/2024 21:06

Is that where he sold "pizza to die for". Eugh. I listened to/watched/read everything that was available about this case. I believe he did it. He knew it couldn't be proven without a doubt and he enjoyed the notoriety that came from that legal grey area.

Chickenkeev · 21/01/2024 21:42

ChanelNo19EDT · 21/01/2024 21:06

Is that where he sold "pizza to die for". Eugh. I listened to/watched/read everything that was available about this case. I believe he did it. He knew it couldn't be proven without a doubt and he enjoyed the notoriety that came from that legal grey area.

Jesus, that's disgusting altogether. Whether he did it or not, he was a right prick.

Beyondbeyondbeyond · 21/01/2024 22:35

West Cork on audible was absolutely brilliant. He is a convicted murder in France and I too believe he absolutely did it. He came across as a narcissist the way he constantly inserted himself into the investigation and the reason he wants the case reopened always came across as attention seeking.

AncientBallerina · 21/01/2024 23:07

Celia24 · 21/01/2024 17:32

I also find it hard to believe he did it but there was so much uncertainty.

A policeman who has since died was the suggested killer at one point. Seems possible given the force apparently lost a gate with blood on it!?

But ultimately feel sorry for her son the family.

The gate wasn’t lost. It was offered back to the family after forensics had been done but they didn’t want it so I think it was destroyed.

AncientBallerina · 21/01/2024 23:09

Carmelita76 · 21/01/2024 16:28

I believe that he didn't do it. He has asked so many times for a proper review of the case. Apparently a cold case review is currently being done and Bailey was frustrated that he wasn't interviewed for it. His health has been poor for a number of years.

This is typical of his manipulative behaviour though - it’s not up to him to dictate how a cold case should be carried out and who should be interviewed. His arrogance was astounding.

AncientBallerina · 21/01/2024 23:20

Carmelita76 · 21/01/2024 19:55

His 'admissions' were ridiculous....

He gave a 14 year old boy he knew a lift home (common in Schull) and said it to him, when asked how he was, "I was fine until I went up there and bashed her head in". The boy mentioned it to his Mum a few days later - she went to the Guards about it. In the sham trial in France it was the mother who went and not the man (who had been 14).

He was talking on the phone to an Editor a week or so after the murder and she said 'you know that your name is being mentioned ' and he said something like ' yes, case closed, it was me'. That woman told the Guards he had "admitted to it'! He just had a silly way of going about things - his idea of a dark joke.

He and Jules were drinking with a couple a year later and he apparently said it to the couple. They went home that night and drank with them the following day in a village pub. The couple didn't say anything to the Guards until six months later.

Jules and Ian both had issues with alcohol. He was wrong to violently assault her but that doesn't mean he murdered Sophie.

Other suspects could include:

Her husband - who didn't even come over for about a week! Her family repeatedly had to tell him that he must come. He had a baby with another woman within about 18 months of the murder.

An ex boyfriend - I think his name was Bruce? He had previously tried to choke her on the Paris Metro - this is documented. He had also sent her threatening letters in the post. He had been to the house in West cork.

Someone was squatting/using her house - she had changed the locks six months before her death as she was convinced someone was going in there when she was away.

A German man who lived about a kilometre from her - can't remember his name. He had moved there with his partner but she left saying he was abusive to her. He committed suicide about six weeks after the murder. Guards never talked to him.

There are a few others too...listen to the West Cork podcast and read about the case.

There is absolutely no evidence at all that Bailey committed the crime. He had been drinking heavily that evening. Would he have been able to walk the 6 or so kilometres to her house, commit this murder without leaving any trace of his blood, skin, etc and walk back? There was no motive? (He shared a car with Jules - it was driven the next day, hadn't just been cleaned. There were two of her daughters and a friend of theirs in the house too I think).

Marie Farrell was a disgrace. Talked absolute rubbish.

The Guards messed up here - they were so focused on Bailey and determined to make him 'fit' the crime as he was odd. It is possible he did it but innocent until proven guilty.

There is a cold case review of this on at the moment.. Bailey has repeatedly asked to be interviewed by them but I don't think he was given the opportunity.

It's a fascinating case.. and it's fascinating that so many people say it was him, despite knowing very little about the case.

Ive watched the documentaries, read the books and listened to the West Cork podcast.
His behaviour immediately after the murder and ever since is so peculiar. He courted the limelight and centred himself constantly. Who makes ‘jokes’ about an extremely violent murder? Maybe the comments to the reporter and the boy in the car could be ´dark humour’ but the incident with the couple back at the house certainly didn’t seem like a joke.
I think the hypothesis that he had in fact met Sophie previously is plausible, that he went to the house that night - she rejected him and he lost it. He was known for wandering around drunk at night and for extreme violence towards women.

Carmelita76 · 21/01/2024 23:35

I agree that he was probably a narcissist and loved the attention. But imagine for a moment that he didn't do it?? Of course he should keep asking for the case to be reviewed... If it was me I'd be shouting from the roof tops that I didn't do it. I don't think it's arrogant to want the Cold Case review to talk to you if you have been so long associated with the murder.

There was huge Garda incompetence in this case. Pages from crucial notebooks going missing etc, evidence going missing, etc.

So many odd things about the case. For example, it is widely presumed that Sophie was murdered at night. Dr Harbinson didn't get to the scene until a full day later. In the photos taken of her kitchen there is a loaf of bread uncovered. Would you go to bed and leave bread on a worktop uncovered? Maybe... But I wonder if she was murdered in the morning (of the 23rd)? A witness early the next morning said he was overtaken by a speeding car close to her house - a car that would have been driving away from the direction of her house. An unusual thing on such quiet roads.

Again, I agree that he was an unpleasant individual but that does not mean he committed this murder.

ChanelNo19EDT · 22/01/2024 08:02

@AncientBallerina I agree that that is far more likely than her partner or x partner flying over from France to Cork to, not just kill her, but lure her outside her house and then violently kill her. If (and I don't think it's the case) she was killed by either of her French partner(s) then it is more likely that she would have been found dead in her bed.

If those French men had flown to ireland, there would be a record of it. It was just before Christmas too so disappearing for minimum 48 hours just before Christmas would have put them more in the frame.

WraithBabe · 22/01/2024 10:52

I noticed in the West Cork podcast they said injuries from three weapons were found on her body - two of which were found at the scene (a hacksaw from the house and a stone block from the garden). The third weapon wasn’t found but IB had been seen using a large branch as a walking stick, but wasn’t seen with it after the murder. A fire was also noticed in his garden after the murder. Could be coincidence, could be hearsay of course.

when he violently assaulted his partner, I believe in their car, one of the injuries she suffered was that her lower lip was partly torn away from her gum. This was also an injury that Sophie had. I don’t know if that’s a common injury people suffer when violently assaulted but if not it could be indicative of the same perpetrator?

Those are the two reasons I have for thinking he did it. The man sighted on the bridge is a red herring I think. The sheer violence of Sophie’s murder suggests it was personal, vindictive, and potentially by someone under the influence of drink or drugs.

the whole thing is very sad - there will likely never be justice for Sophie and a very dangerous individual potentially still walking around.

SparkyBlue · 22/01/2024 13:54

I honestly don't know what to believe. I think he was a nasty horrible individual but I'm not 100% convinced he did the murder. His ex partner issued a statement yesterday and she did say she still believes he is innocent. The whole initial investigation was a disaster.

AncientBallerina · 22/01/2024 15:04

I’m listening to the West Cork Podcast again and I think I’ll probably rewatch the Netflix documentary. There is a bit at the end of the Netflix one where a friend of one of Jules’s daughters claims to have seen a blood soaked garment in a bucket- something like this anyway- I need to watch it again. I should watch the Jim Sheridan one as well for balance although I seem to remember it very much cantering Jim Sheridan. Makes a change from Iain Bailey I suppose…

Agree that if it had been anyone from France there would be some trace of the person and that it seemed like a very personal vindictive assault by a violent person.

Beyondbeyondbeyond · 22/01/2024 17:02

it seemed like a very personal vindictive assault by a violent person

Ian Bailey also had precious for this type of personality with his partner.

Carmelita76 · 22/01/2024 20:15

Unfortunately domestic violence is not uncommon... But assaulting a partner is very different to murdering a woman in cold blood.

Abhannmor · 22/01/2024 21:21

Philip Boucher Hayes was interesting on the subject on Radio 1 this morning. Made the point that IB was his own worst enemy. Verbally incontinent and constantly lying or embellishing stories. Craving attention. He actually used something Boucher Hayes told him in his case against the Garda Siochana iirc.

I know they screwed it up royally. But I have some sympathy, my grandad being a sergeant near Bantry fadó fadó. In his time it was people poaching salmon or cycling without a light. Everyone knew everyone. GAA , same school ,same pubs , same church. Granda didn't need the deductive powers of a Holmes or Poirot. Now ? Bantryshire and the Dutch Peninsula. In our old village there's a whole estate that's empty 10 months of the year.

If it happened now they might be more clued up. But 96 was sort of transitional period? So sorry for that poor woman and her family. RIP

ChanelNo19EDT · 22/01/2024 21:37

I've a lot of sympathy for the gardai too. If I recall, it was the coroner's birthday and he took the 23rd off, which was so unfortunate, but not the local gardai's fault.