Brexit (sorry)

[Apileofballyhoo]

DH and I were chatting away as usual as we watched the news. He usually fills me in on what's being said on Twitter and I fill him in on what's being said on MN but neither of us know how a hard Brexit will impact Ireland.

I looked up our exports and imports (just on Wikipedia so I don't know how accurate it is). DH was wondering if we should stockpile some stuff...

I don't know how much of our stuff comes actually from the UK versus from elsewhere but via the UK. How much is shipped into Dublin and Belfast and Rosslare/Belview from the UK? Is anything shipped directly from Europe into Cork. (I'm literally going by my knowledge of passenger routes.) Does stuff from the US come straight here or via the UK?

Do the Irish government have plans? Thoughts?

By the way I've not mentioned the Irish/UK border because in my opinion it's an absolute disgrace that the people of Northern Ireland have been treated like this, basically as if they don't matter. It makes me want to vomit.

We know we don’t matter. Interestingly the daily, in fact almost hourly, reminders coming out of Westminster are really driving the point home to everyone but the most committed DUP voters.
I didn’t think we’d see a united ireland in my lifetime, but now I’m not so sure.

At least you’ll have electricity OP. The civil service seem convinced that The North will be relying on generators on barges in the Irish Sea.

I think the EU is a fairly solid source of imports and Ireland has functioning ports, but I do think the shitstorm coming will slow things down. I can’t even assemble coherent thoughts about the logistics right now, because I’m just so discouraged and fucking pissed off with the utter bollocking catastrophe Britain is forcing on the North, with the help of those we are paying to speak on behalf of 17% of NI voters.

Grey, it really is nearly reducing me to tears. DH and I were discussing the possibility of a united Ireland too. I got so upset and angry that we had to stop talking about it. I just don't understand the utter selfishness.

Expect the shelves at M&S go empty in about two days... I'm hoping the expansion at Dublin port and the new super ferry to Cork (cofunded by the EU) will be sufficient to keep us fed. At least we grow stuff (albeit not in March).

I really can't get my head round this. Is it fake news?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1019636060001918980?s=21

Does everything coming into Dublin ship from the UK I wonder, Drumknott? If stuff isn't coming from the UK any longer how will that affect infrastructure?

I couldn't find that thing about the airspace anywhere except Irish Central, Somewhere. Maybe it will show up tomorrow. It doesn't seem unbelievable though.

Did you see the thing about Fine Gael getting the blame again for partitioning the country? Leo has a huge responsibility to the Irish citizens in the North. I wonder what responsibilities the EU have towards their citizens? Every single person in the North is a dual citizen. I'm sure it will be one of the biggest concentrations of EU citizens outside the EU. I wonder what the ramifications of that are.

Who'll need a land bridge, duck?

Don’t feel too disheartened, it will all be sorted out in the end.

I do wonder what will happen to all the Aldi and Lidl stores in Northern Ireland and if food prices will rise massively. Will we back to smuggling food? My mother smuggled butter during the war!

That's one way to solve the obesity crisis.

I wonder about all of the Aldi and Lidl shops... Lots of Aldi stuff says produced/packaged in the UK.

www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/brexit/irish-shipping-firms-plan-to-bypass-british-ports-with-direct-routes-to-europe-36782777.html

I don't think we'll be as badly off as the UK tbh, especially NI. Ireland has always been a bit vulnerable as we are a tiny population set away from Europe, however we are still pretty agricultural so we will be ok for things like meat and cheese. Most of the vegetables that I buy come from Ireland or Spain, so that should remain stable.

Manufactured goods and services that are sourced from the UK are likely to either go up in price or be unavailable, so for instance I buy skincare from the UK and I will probably need to pay import duty in future until I can source a good alternative from somewhere like Germany.

I know lots of our fruit and veg comes from Spain and the Netherlands - but how does it get here, Black?

I had to laugh at Leo warning the British that they might not be able to fly over Ireland - use Irish airspace.
I think he forgot that we are an island on the most western edge of Europe and might need to fly over Britain and use British airspace.

We'll just have to follow the shipping routes! I do wonder what it might mean though. Are there many airlines that use Ireland as a stopover and would they use, say, Paris instead? Hypothetically.

Because it's looking more and more to me like a crash out where things like airspace have not been agreed.

I've nothing to add sorry but want to follow.

Dh is Irish and we nearly moved over last year (from the UK) but last minute change of plans meant we're moving to Aus instead.

We do hope one day to make the move but I fear now it could be years before it's a viable option with Brexit.

If you have/planning to have DC I'd apply for their Irish passports, Mind.

I wonder how much longer the same rules will apply.

I'm not too worried, there are so many products on the shelves, it may be that the brands change a bit but I don't mind that.

I do wonder how big chains like Tesco and Boots will manage if they become non-EU stores. Mind you, Topaz has now become the Lazy Q or the Lucky J or the Triple O or whatever the fuck, and that's American and it seems to make no difference to pricing.

I was talking to a doctor who has to do several years more training (Registrar) and had been considering doing one year in her speciality in one of the great teaching hospitals in the UK. They've binned that idea though, cos of Brexit. They think the NHS will wobble massively and besides, they're not sure if doing a non-EU training year would be clever for their career when they could do an EU year. So they'll probably stay and complete training in Ireland now.

If u get busy in the garden now you can have cabbage parsnip carrots and swede for November time. And sprouts. Couple of chicken s for eggs. Early next year get salads peas spuds going and You may well be able to have some of your own produce. And make friends with a farmer. There is lots of market gardening in Ireland round dublin etc. Ireland exports lots to the middle East.
Ports like cherblurg and le harve to rosslare bring stuff from Europe.
Don't worry. Thu gs will balance themselves put.
Shannon is a massive stop o er from US to Europe.
Ireland is important to UK economy in ways they haven't imagined.
UK is now largely dependant on service industry and produces a bit above fuck all and this short fall will be apparent quite quickly
I live in London and am not relishing the thought of the cluster fuck ahead

www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-taoiseach-british-planes-irish-skies-4137889-Jul2018/%3famp=1
Beanthis link explains what was actually said, and meant, by comments re airspace. It's not a case of Ireland petulantly banning U.K. planes from its skies , but is a good example of the lack of preparedness and general head in the sand approach of brexit

Both dc are dual Irish Australian citizens Apileofballyhoo