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Carriemac · 19/07/2016 11:25

am very excited about this so thought we should introduce ourselves, I'm Irish, living in the UK for 20 years and have 3 DC. Travel to Ireland frequently as we have a holiday home in the southwest.
Currently worried about Brexit implications as DS 2 17wants to study in Ireland at third level.

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Amalfimamma · 01/09/2016 22:06

It's all black propaganda, lies and innuendo user1471734618 to get people scared shitless

The UK and Ireland have always had special trade, travel and security agreements that predate the EU and which both countries refused to give up when the EU went from being something useful to nothing more than a group of evil pen pushers who are trying to control every single aspect of our lives, even those aspects that the European unions founding father held dear.
Brexit won't affect these agreements and might actually make the country even more stronger

user1471734618 · 01/09/2016 22:10

Exactly Amalfi.

For example I am an Irish citizen as my dad was born in Dublin in the 1930s. There are literally millions of people like us, in both countries, millions. We all have the same 'rights' in each country.

Brexit is not going to affect those special agreements that predate the EU by decades.

MarDhea · 01/09/2016 22:15

But folks, the current arrangements for common travel area and right of Irish people to work unrestricted in UK (and vice versa) will only continue so long as UK and Irish govts both want them to.

And no one knows what the UK wants from Brexit, except (apparently) to restrict immigration. There are no guarantees that Irish citizens won't be faced with new restrictions as post-Brexit border controls and immigration policies are drawn up.

Doubt away - and I hope you're right! - but it's naive to think the 1948 terms are sacrosanct when so little is known about Brexit plans and when NI comes so low on the list of priorities for the current UK govt that it rarely gets a mention.

user1471734618 · 01/09/2016 22:18

well all I can say mar, is that I hope you are wrong.
These islands should stick together.

Amalfimamma · 01/09/2016 22:56

except (apparently) to restrict immigration

Irish citizens aren't seen as "immigrants" though. Not in the modern sense of the word as used by the Brexiters. Immigration (as per the normalisation of the word as the media dictates) are those non EU citizens who are coming to the Uk using non legal means. And those who are being "forced" on the UK by the eurocrats.

The 6 counties have always been so low on the list of priorities for the current UK govt that it rarely gets a mention. But there will be no border poll no matter how many throw their dummies out of the pram for the simple reason that the GFA doesn't provide for any sort of referemdum or poll until the the wish expressed by a majority in such a poll is that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland.

and that ain't ever gonna happen unfortunately

MarDhea · 02/09/2016 08:56

Irish citizens in the UK will be classed as immigrants if and when it ever suits the UK govt to do so. It doesn't matter what Brexiters in the media or in the street consider to be immigrants - it's up to Theresa May and her cronies now, and they'll do whatever is expedient. Hopefully it won't come to revisiting the "special arrangements" with Ireland, but it's on the table.

And a cross border poll has nothing to do with it. There are a large number of things the UK govt could do to prevent creating a physical border between NI and RoI and breaking terms of the GFA, some of which I mentioned in an earlier post.

shedragon · 02/09/2016 09:41

I think you're right , MarDhea.
Hopefully it won't change from the way it is now, but we jsut don't know. It's all on the table. I'm not sure the EU will look favourably on a request for 'special arrangemnets'. They're not looking so favourably on our 'special arrangements' with Apple re tax. I wouldn't presume anything.

squoosh · 02/09/2016 12:43

Honestly the stuff that people come out with is ridiculous.

No one knows what is going to happen with Brexit. The British government doesn't seem to have a clue so we certainly don't know. Hopefully the agreement between UK and Ireland will remain as it is but it may well change and then the status of Irish citizens in the UK would be no different to that of citizens from any other EU nation. To dismiss as 'ridiculous' claims that this could happen is real head in the sand stuff.

squoosh · 02/09/2016 12:45

the current arrangements for common travel area and right of Irish people to work unrestricted in UK (and vice versa) will only continue so long as UK and Irish govts both want them to.

Exactly!

honeyrider · 05/09/2016 19:41

I've only just discovered craicnet.

I'm originally from Galway but lived in London for over 12 years before moving to Waterford. I moved back over 19 years ago, my older son was born in London and the younger one here in Waterford.

It was a bit of a culture shock when I moved back but I'm so settled here that I don't intend to live anywhere else. I love going to the UK for holidays and short breaks.

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