Petrol crisis, I want to protest to the Govt!

[Alouiseg]

It's horrendously expensive yet all the venom is directed at the oil companies.

They are not to blame, it is the Government and their ridiculous fuel escalator which means we pay 70 pence in the pound to them on Petrol.

I want to protest and I think they would take notice of us. It could be a deal breaker at the election.

Obviously all Green's look away now. This is aimed at car drivers primarily but inflation will be skewed by the inordinate cost of fuel which of course gets passed on to consumers of everything.

Fancy a March????

Disclaimer:-This thread was inspired by a thread.

What percentage of french pump prices are swallowed by petrol tax, or the French equivalent?

Ivykaty44
I don't know how much French gasoline costs at the forecourt, nor do i care. I was commenting on how the French protest to make their government listen. Whilst i rarely agree with protestation and strikes, when it comes to the taxation of our energy and income at current levels i am all for it.

but the protesting has done diddley squat cause the french are paying more for petrol than the uk, quite a lot more - so gobverments don't listen to striking or protesting

if the french are paying more per litre they must surely be paying more tax than the uk, or do the french get charged more for oil?

I agree Orm, maybe in the future we wil all live much closer to where we work. I would love to be able to live in the village I work in.

Yes, because rents are so cheap and affordable in a place like London or Edinburgh, you should just live closer to work.

Do you honestly think people enjoy commuting? Most do it because they can't afford to live near work. AT ALL. Not just that they can't afford to buy a big house, but on their salary(ies) they can't afford to rent anything at all. The rents are too high.

Oh, but wait! What if you have to change jobs? Say you get made redundant and you have to find another job and oh, damn, it's not walking distance to work! And it's a night shift when public transport doesn't run or it's not accessed by public transport.

You should just up and move again then, I guess. Change the kids' schools, etc.

And what if you both work, but in different directions.

I guess only rich people should live in rural areas then.

Sorry, missed quotation marks:
'I agree Orm, maybe in the future we wil all live much closer to where we work. I would love to be able to live in the village I work in. '

Would they?

I think people look for value for money. If you are paying, income tax, ni, capital gains, petrol tax, vat on energy vat on everything tbh.

You start to do the math, look at waste and efficiency and jobs for the boys. Personally I would like to pay less tax as a family and decide what to spend our money on.

I know what is best for my family not Gordon Brown or his band of merry thieves. I'm ready and poised for cuts in services they ARE inevitable after the last 13 years of frittering. Luckily we played the long game and didn't get caught up in the spending frenzy. We're now being punished by the reckless spending of the current and hopefully outgoing Government.

Yes, more tax on petrol (not diesel) and the petrol companies are making a lot more than here as well - in margin terms.

Also the oil companies dont price near the hypermarkets there - whereas here they try to keep within 1p-2p, in France there is a 7-8 cent difference.

Apparently anyway - I may have forgotten some info between dh telling me as he baths the dcs and me coming downstairs to type it up

No not diesel because all the 4wd's are diesel!!!! Except Porsche Cayenne, they are ALL petrol.

facts skewed?

Was that to me Alouiseq? I was just answering the specific query from Ivykaty about the situation in France - nowt to do with 4x4s...

Expat I could never afford to live in either Edinburgh or London, as a key worker I do think that is important. In my hope that we would all live nearer to our place of work was a hope that something could be done about property/ rental prices. I would love to see better public transport around here. I can't drive and cannot afford to learn, when my partner is working I am stranded here. If he is away it worries me sick that something would happen and I would be at the mercy of either an ambulance or a taxi firm.

Most of the people I work with commute in, we don't do it because we enjoy commuting but because we would rather live out in the sticks.

It may be that for environmental reasons rural isolated living will become a luxury. Not nice but it may be a reality. There are places I would love to live but cannot afford to.

Well in that case expat, tell me your solutions to the long-term problem? Saying that it's just too hard to change isn't going to cut it.

'Well in that case expat, tell me your solutions to the long-term problem? Saying that it's just too hard to change isn't going to cut it. '

Well then, it's a good thing I never said 'it's too hard to change' or even implied that .

If you want people to live close to their work then something has to be done about house prices because they affect rent prices, too.

People on even moderate incomes are truly unable to afford to live near work in a lot of urban areas and many find the cost of whatever limited public transport is on offer in their area far more expensive than using a car.

Something also has to be done about councils approving applications for developers to cram as many tiny flats into a plot as they can, making living close to many urban centres of work unfeasible for those who have families.

Putting the cart before the horse with respect to public transport - just hiking duties on fuel but not investing in increased public transport (because it's not always profitable that's why it was privitised in teh first place) to areas outside urban centes of work won't work, either.

There also needs to be carrots and sticks for more employers to allow employees to work from home/telecommute.

For starters.

expat/Riven - I think the same. So many of my frends live miles away from work, school. shops because they cannot afford to live closer. They then drive all the time to make up for that distance.

What sticks in my craw is that by increasing the price of fuel so much, it means only the rich can drive.
So polluting is a privilege now?

I wouldn't mind the eye-watering duty if there was some other way to get from A-B. But there isn't in anywhere but towns.

True, the poor could all move to cities, but houses are so expensive, and only "luxury flats" ever get built so people would have to share. We could have whole families living in one room like before the war. That'd be nice.

And the country side could become exclusively for the well-off. Ideal non? Only, how would their cleaners get to them?

'We could have whole families living in one room like before the war. That'd be nice.'

And if you're a renter, it'd be a no-go because most councils have rules about how many people, even related, that a private landlord can cram into those pokey flats.

There were loads tacked up in Edinburgh and one MSP who visited one put it perfectly: they're for single people who don't like to cook.

I won't even go into how much they cost, either.

I'm about to go and throw myself off something high and non bouncy, we are painting a very bleak picture of the future.

It's what 13 years of mismanagement has done for the country

Exactly, Cranky! You put it so much better.

The price keeps going up and up. Well, we can't afford to move as we took on more debt to get in here - to buy a bed, cooker and washing machine as well as curtains and light fixtures. We have work here, a good school, a home.

£100 fill up!!!!

The oil price has gone down $6 in the last 3 days but we never see that reflected at the pumps.