Thank goodness tax rise scrapped

[Jems557]

So we’re a blended large family, so after maintenance and all the outgoings for our large combined family we don’t have very much left at all, as obviously we need a big house so our mortgage and council tax is a lot, we need a bigger than average (although several year old) car etc. However we don’t claim any benefits, my DH works hard to provide for his and our children but so much is taken in tax anmd maintenance already, there is no tax allowance for raising children. This would of hit us hard

Specifically?

There would have been riots on the street if it had happened. That’s why Labour have abandoned the idea.

No, they as good as confirmed it with the messaging. And they never came out and said “these stories are nonsense, please refer back to the manifesto where we said we wouldn’t do this”.

So if they really were never planning on it, who on earth advised them to let it run and then allow another story about a u turn to develop?

So surprised by these threads, the general MN stance has been many want to pay more for better services? Where have the many vocal supporters gone?

Benefits paid for this for example

Also 55% of those classed as unable to work are because of mental health issues.

I do not disagree with you having been a Nurse for 30 years. Do you really think though any raise in taxes is going to see an improvement in public services? Of course it won't it is being used to plug the debt. If we had an amazing NHS and I could go to work each day without crying at staffing levels I would be happy to pay but it will never change.

Exactly Reeves did an extra pre budget conference fgs. The messaging was what exactly?

It was to soften up the public and get the markets to react. The latter undone today with higher borrowing costs. Clowns.

They will find somewhere else to tax us. I just wish they would say something and stick with it.
i am a lifelong labour voter and want to like Starmer and his government but i am really starting to lose patience as they have done so little.

If I genuinely believed public services would improve, I’d have no issue with paying more tax but I doubt it will.

In the Autumn budget, the rise in employers NI was forecast to bring in an extra £25million this year (and with lots more over the forthcoming years) and this was specifically to ‘fix the foundations’ and help to fund the NHS and public services. 12 months on, if anything, public services are worse. Some of the posts on this thread show that.

We are however investing in a costly digital ID scheme and in the last 12 months, over 100k new central government jobs have been created. If we’re in such a financial black hole, taxes need to be prioritised for frontline services so that people can really feel the benefit. Obviously they’ll find a way of raising taxes (even if it’s not from income tax) but without proper financial accountability, it’ll just be like pouring more money into an endless black hole.

So when did Reeves or anyone from the government say income tax was going to rise? Or they were going to abolish the tax free pension lump sum.

Yes, it was kite flying, but the media and social media sure ran like hell with those kites! Plenty of catastrophising on MN, for example. I wish governments wouldn't kite fly, but they all seem too.

If she’d have done this as well as lifting the two-child benefit cap I seriously would have considered emigrating. But she’ll find other ways to screw us over. Some people on this thread are very naive to believe that raising income tax would have resulted in improved public services - cuts and deep ones are what this country needs, but this useless government doesn’t have the guts to do it.

What do you mean where have they gone? There are multiple people on this thread saying they think today’s story of a u-turn is a bad idea.

I wish they would scrap this digital ID thing. Just let it go.

Of course the media take the kite flying and report it. It’s what Labour want them to do, they’re happy to oblige.

Labour want to gauge the public reaction before they put the policy in place. Since they have no idea what to do it’s chaos with multiple avenues put out. Plus the doom extra press conference.

If you want to know what is thought of all the chaos look at the borrowing costs and market reaction today.

That graph clearly shows the problem. I know a couple of people who are in that ‘no work requirements’ figure. They are perfectly capable of working, but know how to play the system and invent / exaggerate medical conditions to get signed off. The only thing really wrong with them is that they are bone idle.

Why should there be a tax allowance for anyone then? Parents go out to earn the money to feed their children, they’re effectively allowed a tax allowance to feed themselves but not their children 🤷🏻‍♀️ we’re talking about money parents are working to earn, not that they are taking from you or any other tax payer

Unfortunately the reality is that taxes do have to rise, my only hope is that they don't over-tax the poorest in society. But I do think we need to raise income tax.

Yes, make it make sense. It’s either too expensive to means test it in which case why do they means test it for ol der kids? Or it’s cheaper to means test it in which case means test it for younger kids.

and PIP and winter fuel allowance.

getting rid of police commissioners is good. I suspect there’s a lot more roles and entire bodies which can be got rid of. The nhs is about to make a whole swathe of admin staff redundant. As someone who worked in the nhs for 20 years I’m sad for those individuals but I understand we’ve got to move with the times. Ward clerks, etc just aren’t needed as much when so much stuff is computerised. Though I guess the issue is as AI decimates the need for workers the unemployment type benefits will go up.

Makes me more nervous. The money will come from somewhere :(

There is a big difference between sensible reporting and the absolute guff and hysteria that the likes of the Telegraph have been churning out day after day after day.

Labour has made a mess of this, I am not defending them, but the media has a part to play too.

I find exactly the same in my line of work. So many people awarded the LCWRA ( no work commitments) element of Universal credit when they are perfectly capable of working. In fact I don't think there's even any point having just the LCW category any more because everyone seems to get into the LCWRA ( not work requirements ) category.

I agree.

They've scrapped the idea of an open tax - but they say they have a £40bn hole to fill and they're wanting to expand benefits (2 child). To do that and not have the bond markets scream, they have to increase taxes stealthily.

So you are going to be paying more (likely the same amount more) but you'll be hard pressed to work out where it's draining out to.

The lack of sense is Labour. They’re fucking it up and causing market reactions, which hikes cost of borrowing. You can see what it reacted to in real time. It’s Labour’s mess.

I work for the NHS and yes I desperately want it to be able to provide good care, but on the other hand these tax rises would have been very unfair. Yes it is a myth that there are billions that could be raised or saved without adverse consequences but I do believe government spending needs to be re prioritised

Yep, I know one too in our family.

Doesn’t work as they are too ill, but can go here, there and everywhere with no problems and go out multiple times a week on this piss with his mates.