Thank goodness tax rise scrapped

[Jems557]

So we’re a blended large family, so after maintenance and all the outgoings for our large combined family we don’t have very much left at all, as obviously we need a big house so our mortgage and council tax is a lot, we need a bigger than average (although several year old) car etc. However we don’t claim any benefits, my DH works hard to provide for his and our children but so much is taken in tax anmd maintenance already, there is no tax allowance for raising children. This would of hit us hard

A very random post, what comment/logic is such a crazy idea in response to?

I understand the concept of a cycle, but not how it’s in anyway helpful for someone to pay tax in 10 years when their education is a cost now. Helpful in 10 years, useless in the immediate.

Having children shouldn’t mean a tax reduction. They’re a choice, that we’re not forced into making. The financial implications of that on our disposable income are our own responsibility, we chose to have them.

We need more tax input, not less. If for example I had a salary of £60k and a personal allowance per child, set at the same level, plus my own - I’d pay tax on less than 10k of that salary. The cost to the state would be astronomical, completely unsustainable.

Where on earth would you suggest we recover that shortfall?

Very pleased your children are net contributors, tell them thanks. I’ll pat myself and my partner on the back while I’m there. I wasn’t aware that round of applause was necessary until now, but I’ll take it!

So you don’t understand the concept of a cycle 🤦🏻‍♀️ what are you patting yourself on the back for in regard to my children, you’re just happy to have their tax but give no acknowledgment for who raised them or the long term benefit of taxes paid by us all to educate them.
Such an allowance would equate to £2500-5000 reduction in tax per child, it’s irrelevant whether that is 1000 children spread over 100 families or 1000 children spread over 1000 families. In fact smaller families would be more likely to benefit as you would have to earn at least 60k to benefit from having 4 children. There would be a huge saving in the payment of UC and it would remove the significant disincentive to earn extra for current higher rate tax payer. There would likely also be a reduction in demand for childcare (and associated state subsidies) as families could afford for one parent to stay at home if they so wished. Many countries give parents with children tax allowances, it isn’t such an alien and unsustainable concept as you are imagining

No… I do. The cycle isn’t relevant. Paying tax later in life doesn’t absolve the cost you present earlier.

I wasn’t patting myself on the back regards your children. I was saying that they deserve a round of applause for being net contributors as much as I deserve one for the same. There’s no “I pay my own way” certificate, and frankly I think it’s bizarre a person would want one.

I don’t “have their tax,” the government does. And that’s the price we all pay for working. Just usually with less complaining about it.

What acknowledgment do you want for raising your own children? Your own certificate, a prize, a badge? You get acknowledged by your children, as we all do. If I want a round of applause for being a top mum, I’ll ask my kids rather than the general public.

I believe in SAHP about as much as I believe in tax breaks for parents. I think that all of those capable of work, should, and that staying at home is often just a fancy term for “I like getting my nails done and shopping.”

I was simply explaining how children actually fit into society and the economic cycle. How would I have guessed that you would detest the idea of parents being able to look after their own young children, that level of individual freedom?

Detest is a strong word. I have absolutely no desire to pay for it via taxation breaks, however.

However no doubt you are more than happen to pay for the childcare subsidies given otherwise via our taxation??

Yes.

I’m happy to pay towards the childcare of working mothers for example. Happier than I would be to pay people to stay at home with their children. I think the benefit of people being in work and contributing to society/the state is better than paying for people to be out of work.

There are exceptions - I understand not all SENd parents can work, those unfit to work, etc. But outside of that, I believe where possible we should be in full time paid work, so we can support the genuinely unable. I don’t recognise not doing that as a life choice I personally could make.

If all along this was about your husband having a lower tax burden/higher income so you could work less, you could have saved us all an effort and said.

I still wouldn’t have agreed, but I’d have at least known what with.

I’d love to confirm your assumption but I’m really lucky to actually really enjoy my job in the NHS which I studied and worked for many years to achieve and so proud of my daughter when she decided to follow in my footsteps. We actually used to spend more than my entire salary in childcare when our older children were tiny but with the new funded childcare I do actually have a good portion of salary left after childcare costs. I did think about whether I would stay at home if the cost of the childcare subsidy was offered to me (hypothetically) if I wanted to stay at home and absolutely not, Even though my husband would do his best to make that work if that’s what I wanted. I’d really miss my job and my little one loves nursery. However I still believe in choice, I know many mothers at my baby group who would prefer not to go back to work at the moment and I also remember being in a situation where it would not of been right for our family for me to go back to work at that time or there was not childcare I was happy with.

Aid to countries like Pakistan which have nuclear weapons. Hotels for migrants. Income support for anyone who has what any reasonable psychiatrist would class as mild depression or anxiety. Ditch government rebrands, force current and former civil servants off final salary pension schemes.

They should do all this and also go after billionaires and online retail giants like Amazon. If this happens, maybe we’ll have a chance of unscrewing ourselves.