Is Brexit the biggest act of self harm to the IK?

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I heard it described as such on the radio last week and I have been mulling it over. Perhaps it is? Though I cannot quite get past the fact the our politicians and the government, who are paid to make these decisions in the best interests of the people and the country, asked the general public whether we should remain or leave. How could the vast majority of us hope to know the intricate details of either staying in or leaving, and if it would be a deliberate act of self harm to leave? Then to cap it all off, David Cameron walked away. Yet, for something that affects individuals personally, the politicians are asked to decide on the Assisted Dying Bill. I'm confused.

In all seriousness, get on with it, if its what you want, i assume you ve both got EU passports or healthcare can be very expensive as you age...

another stunning benefit of Brexit.

The government is corrupt and dysfunctional. That’s not something anyone voted for. Its politically convenient to pretend this chaos is down Brexit because it draws attention away from politicians

No one is saying the issues we are facing is just down to brexit, its also not correct to blame our woes on a Govt thats been in for 5 months either.

Look to Austerity for why nothing works anymore, a simple analogy: what happens if you fail to maintain your house? chaos and far more expense, thats where we are in the UK, too much has been allowed to rot.

It’s all such a fecking mess. Mostly down to people not being able to engage their critical thinking skills.
Was life perfect before, of course not - but the money that has been wasted, the political mega lies that have been told and swallowed and above all the sense of hope that the younger generation have had stolen from them, is criminal.

I used to import wine from the EU, things that simply weren't available here. Brexit has added just over £3 to every single bottle I consume.

And coming down the pipeline, when I sell my share of my former family home in the EU the difference in capital gains tax on it post-Brexit will hit me personally to the tune of about €75k. That's €75k that will go straight to a foreign government in one go, and not available for me to pay hairdressers, builders, baristas, cleaners, or invest in the UK. That's just my share, I've got siblings too.

Everyone I know who voted Leave did so for reasons that were absolutely nothing to do with the EU. In part, that's the bastard offspring of the FPTP voting system here which meant that for many it was the first time their vote would ever matter, and they wanted to punish the government for being poor by making themselves poorer.

Stupid, stupid, stupid people.

Haven't RTFT but yes. Yes it is.

No is not.

1. Think how much money UK was put into EU. I think EU have more to cry that UK
2. The EU force all EU countries to bring in illegal migrants. As long we out of the Union we don't have to do it

I use the phrase economic self harm. There may be some equivalents or worse in history (1931 coming off the gold standard, Henry VIII debasing the coinage in the 1540s) but none certainly since the second world war.

I'm not in the UK anymore but I'm not noticing much success in deterring asylum seeking?

That sadly true. But at least the EU won't dictate to us.

I'm thinking that the EU wasn't actually the issue in the first place.

What it was ?

Turkeys and Christmas come to mind.

It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

I'm going for global instability, mass migration, high levels of conflict on the borders of Europe ( not the EU just the geographical area).
Basically large numbers of people seeking better lives elsewhere, being attracted to the UK because they understand our language, they have previous historical links with our country, we have economic opportunities and they believe we are a positive multi-cultural society.
Really nothing much to do with the EU either way.

Yes turkeys expensive will got chicken this year 😅 all gone expensive all world

My opinion. Cameron promised there would be a straight in or out vote in his manifesto for the 2015 GE election. I don’t think he ever thought that he would be on the losing side, especially after The Scottish referendum.

Once the Conservatives had won the GE with a majority, Cameron had to give the referendum. Again, he didn’t actually think he’d lose.

The remain campaign was pretty dire and Cameron didn’t convince the public that remaining would be better.

I remember very clearly Cameron on stage being asked if he’d veto Turkey ever joining the EU, he dodged the question. This was when there was talk of Turkey joining the EU.

I don’t think Johnson was ever convinced of Brexit either , but the man was such a liar who knows what he really thought.

If anything , I always thought the Norway model was better than what we ended up with. It was shot down and May lost that one.

But is the EU a failing state ? I mean countries have gone bankrupt ( Greece previously) and France could have Le Penn. It could well be that many anti EU parties could will form governments over the next decade or so.
Who knows how long the EU in it’s current form will continue.

"The EU force all EU countries to bring in illegal migrants. As long we out of the Union we don't have to do it"

Yes good point. At least we are free to legally allow record highs of migration from non European countries instead

We also can not stop the boats or send people on them back to France like we could before we left....

Maybe so but I think that’s a failure of the government. Most legal immigration comes from outside the EU. Brexit simply stopped immigration from within the EU.
The government could manage immigration if they really wanted , but it would take very bold action.

When Labour were in power last time, don’t get send lots of illegal immigrants back ? Lots of immigration centres had flights going out , returning people back home.
The conservatives did nothing and now the asylum system is broken

I didn't know about the boats cannot be send back. But that not make sense why France can send us illegal immigrants and we cannot send them back? Because EU saying well we not under EU rules anymore. Is true that we stol got illegal migrants problem but join EU will not help either because the government will have bo choice but to listen EU leaders to bring and accommodate so many milions illegal migrants

The UK is still subject to many international laws and treaties, our global obligations to the rule of law didn't end when we left the EU.
Therefore we still can't do whatever we feel like with asylum seekers.

In addition France isn't sending us them, it simply isn't trying as hard to keep the people smugglers from bringing them. This is because we have let the EU.

That is stupid law then it should all end

Yes it absolutely is.