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General life is different to years ago

221 replies

kmr24 · 01/09/2024 21:03

Hello,

I'm just thinking of how everything thing has changed over the past 5 years . No one has a lot of disposable income , rent and food is higher and just general things are not the same... I've heard taxes are going up now also! I feel low with it all and I need to find a new house I've been in for 10 years as the landlord wants to sell and I can't find anywhere to rent. And the council have a very long waiting list. There's a lot of people in this boat it's sad how we have to live like this.will the climate ever change or is this how it is now?

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Itsjustmeheretoday · 08/09/2024 04:43

Cars are another good indicator of how people have changed. Yes they are technically much cheaper now than they used to be, but I'm amazed at how pretty much everyone buys a brand new car now. Its so unnecessary and a total waste of money

taxguru · 08/09/2024 07:34

Itsjustmeheretoday · 08/09/2024 04:43

Cars are another good indicator of how people have changed. Yes they are technically much cheaper now than they used to be, but I'm amazed at how pretty much everyone buys a brand new car now. Its so unnecessary and a total waste of money

Not true. 82% of uk car sales are used, only 18% are new. Average age of a car on uk roads today is13 years.

WonderingAR · 08/09/2024 07:55

taxguru · 08/09/2024 07:34

Not true. 82% of uk car sales are used, only 18% are new. Average age of a car on uk roads today is13 years.

I can't help but notice that 90% of cars consistently look new near council estates. Wonder if it was a case 30 years ago.

In general there's a feeling that if youth doesn't get themselves a council house or inheritance, they're doomed to work for a mortgage till 70 no matter how many lattes and takeaways they turn away.

MrsBobtonTrent · 08/09/2024 08:33

WonderingAR · 08/09/2024 07:55

I can't help but notice that 90% of cars consistently look new near council estates. Wonder if it was a case 30 years ago.

In general there's a feeling that if youth doesn't get themselves a council house or inheritance, they're doomed to work for a mortgage till 70 no matter how many lattes and takeaways they turn away.

Edited

If you are living month to month with no savings, you may struggle to buy a used car. It feels cheaper to lease a new one. And once you are on that treadmill, it’s hard to get off it.

An older car has become a better indicator of financial stability than a shiny new one.

taxguru · 08/09/2024 08:38

MrsBobtonTrent · 08/09/2024 08:33

If you are living month to month with no savings, you may struggle to buy a used car. It feels cheaper to lease a new one. And once you are on that treadmill, it’s hard to get off it.

An older car has become a better indicator of financial stability than a shiny new one.

Yes, smoke and mirrors. Cheaper in the short term but more expensive long term.

Itsjustmeheretoday · 08/09/2024 08:55

taxguru · 08/09/2024 07:34

Not true. 82% of uk car sales are used, only 18% are new. Average age of a car on uk roads today is13 years.

I'm talking about everyone I know, I'm the only person I know who has a car that's not brand new. I'd be very surprised if the cars around my neighbourhood were that old.

Speedweed · 10/09/2024 22:50

Another issue is that some economical things have simply stopped being as available too - there don't seem to be as many old cars around which a mechanic I know puts down to computerised functions, which are no longer fixable in the way that manual windows and engines were, so those cars end up scrapped.

The fashion for extending properties has meant that smaller (and cheaper) properties have vanished - they have extensions and converted lofts. It's very difficult to find one or two bed homes unless you want a flat, eg bungalows have effectively been changed into houses.

As others have said, quality of many things is poor. Then hours are taken up searching for replacements which are just as crap. Nothing is repairable either so you can't plan your spending in a way that used to be possible while you eeked the final life out of some consumer goods.

GorgeousTulips · 11/09/2024 06:47

Itsjustmeheretoday · 08/09/2024 08:55

I'm talking about everyone I know, I'm the only person I know who has a car that's not brand new. I'd be very surprised if the cars around my neighbourhood were that old.

I dont know who your friends are, but I have never had a new car in my life. I think it's quite unusual to buy a new car for most people I know.

flapjackfairy · 11/09/2024 08:18

Speedweed · 10/09/2024 22:50

Another issue is that some economical things have simply stopped being as available too - there don't seem to be as many old cars around which a mechanic I know puts down to computerised functions, which are no longer fixable in the way that manual windows and engines were, so those cars end up scrapped.

The fashion for extending properties has meant that smaller (and cheaper) properties have vanished - they have extensions and converted lofts. It's very difficult to find one or two bed homes unless you want a flat, eg bungalows have effectively been changed into houses.

As others have said, quality of many things is poor. Then hours are taken up searching for replacements which are just as crap. Nothing is repairable either so you can't plan your spending in a way that used to be possible while you eeked the final life out of some consumer goods.

I agree. And it is madness when they are telling us all to do our utmost to save the planet.

ScribblingPixie · 11/09/2024 08:25

The fashion for extending properties has meant that smaller (and cheaper) properties have vanished - they have extensions and converted lofts. It's very difficult to find one or two bed homes unless you want a flat, eg bungalows have effectively been changed into houses.

Half of my London street is small one- and two-bed flats. The ground-floor ones are one-beds. When we moved in those were almost all occupied by single people - middle-aged and older. Then after the boom in the 90s a lot of couples moved in. Now it's 50 per cent young families and all the ground-floor flats have been extended into two- or even three-beds.

VimtoVimto · 11/09/2024 08:33

I lived in a village which had a main road running through it with a mixture of homes built from about 1900 to 1970 including a number of detached bungalows and traditional three bedroom detached houses. Over the last 25 years almost all have either been massively extended or rebuilt.

MidnightLibraryCard · 30/09/2024 00:04

WTAF! Your outgoings are £5k a month as a single parent!!!!!! I earn £25k a year, my DH similar, 2 kids. Wow

Yes. Mortgage is well over £2k for a very normal house. It also needs a lot spending on it which I cannot afford. It's expensive here. My childcare bill is around £3k; more in school holidays. Then Council tax, commuting, bills, food, kids' extracurricular activities etc all on top if that. Ironically, the tax system penalises single parents so much that despite my salary on paper meaning I am in the bracket that people always claim are "rich", actually my net income after tax, accommodation and childcare is far lower than if I'd never bothered to work at all and claimed benefits instead. Quite a kick in the teeth, really, having worked 80-90 hours per week for 15 years before having children in order to build said well paid career.

Now I get to do two people's work and have minimal free time to spend with my children and have so much of my earnings confiscated to distribute to others who mostly have more disposable income than me that I am constantly worried about money. Yet I read in the news that apparently I should be taxed even more! Not sure where they expect that money to come from. Perhaps I should leave my children at home alone to cut the childcare cost and pay more tax for non-existent services instead?

None of these costs are optional. I'd far rather have some savings or money for luxuries. We have to live in this area, my children have to have childcare or I cannot work, and the tax bill is not a choice either. The system completely screws you over if you are a lone parent. Apparently it's not sufficient that I'm doing in 24 hours what a couple do in 48, but I must also pay more tax than them on the same household income as well even though I'm covering all costs alone. No wonder so many single parents do not bother to work.

Chowtime · 04/10/2024 11:06

kmr24 · 01/09/2024 21:03

Hello,

I'm just thinking of how everything thing has changed over the past 5 years . No one has a lot of disposable income , rent and food is higher and just general things are not the same... I've heard taxes are going up now also! I feel low with it all and I need to find a new house I've been in for 10 years as the landlord wants to sell and I can't find anywhere to rent. And the council have a very long waiting list. There's a lot of people in this boat it's sad how we have to live like this.will the climate ever change or is this how it is now?

A lot HAS changed over the last 5 years but I disagree with parts of your post.

Plenty of people DO have a lot of disposable income. Particularly older people.

Councils having long waiting lists have also been a thing for a long as I can remember too.

Badbadbunny · 04/10/2024 16:26

@Speedweed

Another issue is that some economical things have simply stopped being as available too - there don't seem to be as many old cars around which a mechanic I know puts down to computerised functions, which are no longer fixable in the way that manual windows and engines were, so those cars end up scrapped.

Indeed. We're keeping a 16 year old car on the road because it's easy to fix. It has "some" computerised functions but it's basically still an old-fashioned car and it doesn't need to be "plugged in" to a laptop for the mechanic to find out what's wrong with it.

Unfortunately, our local village garage who've been looking after it since we bought it new 16 year ago is going to close next year. The guy who runs it wants to retire and tried for three years to sell it, but no one was interested.

Our other car has just had to be scrapped. It was only a 15 plate, again bought new, but it suffered a water ingress (a well known problem for that make and model). First the heater fan went (badly rusted due to the water) which cost a thousand pounds. The garage claimed to have solved the water ingress, but just a year later the main circuit board failed - again water ingress with components wet and rusty. Cost was going to be best part of £3k to replace the main board, which wasn't economically viable. So off to the scrapyard it went. Absolutely travesty - it only had 40k miles on the clock!

Apparently, there are fields full of hundreds of cars scrapped under the scrappage scheme a few years ago, which are just languishing. They can't be re-sold because they were scrapped under the scheme, and they can't be cannibalised for spare parts to keep other cars going either. Shambles.

MidnightLibraryCard · 05/10/2024 13:58

Interesting that the OP made one post then hasn't bothered to engage with anybody's responses. Why is that @kmr24 ?

stayathomer · 05/10/2024 14:11

agree with all the people who say everyone and I mean honestly most people have a world more luxuries that they see as non negotiable nowadays, rightly so in most cases but it does cost! (40 and was Middle class but mum mended clothes, had no car until mid 00s etc etc, fire for heating for most of childhood, not great insulation but wouldn’t have dreamed of fixing up house!!!(

Spiderwmn · 06/10/2024 06:42

DPs had a single coal fire that heated the water. The hot tank was in their bedroom so that was also aired by it.

The problem nowadays that modern heating systems heat the house - not just a room where you can be cosy all day.

I've no idea what it would cost to turn all radiators off except one in the living room but for people struggling with bills in the coldest months could that be an option. And how would that compare to no central heating just an electric fire in one room. I suspect it would be more than my DP's bills.

Haruka · 06/10/2024 12:29

I've said it before and I will say it again. It's not down to peoples' own expectations that our lifestyle now needs to be a certain way. It's down to more and more regulations, which are brought in by people who have no monetary worries, and expect ordinary people to comply.

I will give you a few examples:

Owning a smartphone and a laptop or PC at home is a must for most people these days. That's a huge amount of money to pay and maintain. Too many everyday things are based online now that are non-negotiable. Almost all bills are digital (and very few allow you to keep the option to have paper copies sent to you), so is most banking with more and more branches shutting on a weekly basis. Job applications, access to telephone numbers for companies (when did you last see a telephone book?), booking a doctor's appointment - you can do very few things without the need to be connected to the internet. Bus tickets are almost all digital where I live. Internet cafes from the 1990s and early 2000s are a thing of the past, most workplaces have a no-personal-use policy in place and libraries are open at such inconvenient times (if at all available in your neighbourhood) that you need internet access at home, which costs.

My 7-year-old smartphone still works fine, but I have had to buy a new one yesterday because the old phone cannot deal with storage demand for apps anymore, even when all non-essentials are already deleted off it. So that's £150 for a phone that will allow sufficient storage for apps for a few years before it, too, becomes obsolete. One app I need is for work - it is a non-negotiable to have this on my phone to be able to log into my system from home, and two-factor authentication is a huge thing for most portals now. That's government requirements for ever more security having us pay more for devices, phone contracts and internet access. Multiply that by however many children you have, because they will need these things for homework.

Cars are a must outside of large cities. Even in my large town, public transport is abysmal at the best of times. I cannot get to work on time by bus, because a 10-min car journey takes 2 hours on the bus, and that is if all are punctual (my eldest takes the bus to sixth form and is regularly late because the buses just do not turn up). Many employers cannot afford town centre rates, so offices are in the middle of nowhere, as are more and more shops. With the job market in a mess, you take what you can get, but that also means most working adults need their own car. Few have the privilege of working in vaguely similar directions. So if you see a household with more than one car, chances are they need them for work. And because time margins between work and schools/ childcare are often tight (owing to most childcare providers and schools only accepting people from within a certain radius of their home addresses), cars are, again, a must to get between one place and another in sufficient time to not be hit with huge fines for lateness.

Own rooms for children are becoming more and more of a must. There are legal limits for overcrowding, so where, 70 years ago, 2 children may have shared a bed, that would now be seen as unacceptable, as is usually a situation in which older siblings of opposite sexes share after a certain age. And as the children get older, housing costs often mean they cannot immediately move out, so need their own rooms as adults to get a modicum of privacy in their parental homes. Someone upthread mentioned separate bathrooms - I can tell you now that, with time pressures, it is almost impossible for all members of our family to be out of the house ready for work/ childcare and school without a second toilet facility - while one person is in the shower, the other brushes teeth. Cleaning your teeth in the same bathroom as your naked, showering parent is frowned upon, you see. That's a mixture of failed housing policies and what is seen as socially acceptable having shifted.

Now let's mention some legal costs - insulation regulations, boiler servicing regulations, electrical safety regulations, more and more things deemed unsafe for an MOT, higher taxes to comply with "green" targets, legal requirements to be insured for a number of different things just to keep a roof over your home or, in some cases, your job - and is it a wonder people are struggling?

We are not talking 3 foreign holidays a year; that divide is getting larger, too. But just living a normal life has become expensive and reliant on things that, years ago, would have been considered a luxury.

taxguru · 06/10/2024 12:43

@Haruka

I've said it before and I will say it again. It's not down to peoples' own expectations that our lifestyle now needs to be a certain way. It's down to more and more regulations, which are brought in by people who have no monetary worries, and expect ordinary people to comply.

Nail on the head. Your examples are excellent to illustrate how lots of things that used to be "wants" are now "needs"! Especially re smart phones and cars!

Cars in particular. My son needs a replacement car. He lives where public transport is absolute crap despite being a city! Unreliable, last bus/train of the day far too early, infrequent services, too many cancellations, etc. I've always maintained that leasing brand new cars was a mug's game, and for us, it is, I've done the number crunching many times over the years. But for my son, it makes perfect sense. The costs of anything like decent used cars are insane, then servicing costs are getting more and more, even at small grease monkey garages, plus insurance, plus high interest rates on bank loans/HP, etc. When you compare all that against some of the lease deals for brand new, some of which include free insurance, servicing, etc., it's a no brainer! Easy for people to point and say "he doesn't need a brand new car", but in reality, for him, it works out cheaper over the 3 year term than buying a 3-8 year old one! It shouldn't be that way, but it is!

Same with his smart phone. He has to work from home 3 days per week (employer requirement!), and his job is figure-intensive, literally, all day on spreadsheets, which are on the firms' servers. He needs fast reliable internet. Where he lives, it's only BT ancient copper cable broadband via telephone cabling, so not only is the speed inadequate, but it's also unreliable, so he has to tether his laptops to his mobile phone for work! Hence he needs the best possible mobile phone signal and unlimited data package. He wouldn't be able to work with a cheap "fiver per month" internet package!

GorgeousTulips · 06/10/2024 15:35

taxguru · 06/10/2024 12:43

@Haruka

I've said it before and I will say it again. It's not down to peoples' own expectations that our lifestyle now needs to be a certain way. It's down to more and more regulations, which are brought in by people who have no monetary worries, and expect ordinary people to comply.

Nail on the head. Your examples are excellent to illustrate how lots of things that used to be "wants" are now "needs"! Especially re smart phones and cars!

Cars in particular. My son needs a replacement car. He lives where public transport is absolute crap despite being a city! Unreliable, last bus/train of the day far too early, infrequent services, too many cancellations, etc. I've always maintained that leasing brand new cars was a mug's game, and for us, it is, I've done the number crunching many times over the years. But for my son, it makes perfect sense. The costs of anything like decent used cars are insane, then servicing costs are getting more and more, even at small grease monkey garages, plus insurance, plus high interest rates on bank loans/HP, etc. When you compare all that against some of the lease deals for brand new, some of which include free insurance, servicing, etc., it's a no brainer! Easy for people to point and say "he doesn't need a brand new car", but in reality, for him, it works out cheaper over the 3 year term than buying a 3-8 year old one! It shouldn't be that way, but it is!

Same with his smart phone. He has to work from home 3 days per week (employer requirement!), and his job is figure-intensive, literally, all day on spreadsheets, which are on the firms' servers. He needs fast reliable internet. Where he lives, it's only BT ancient copper cable broadband via telephone cabling, so not only is the speed inadequate, but it's also unreliable, so he has to tether his laptops to his mobile phone for work! Hence he needs the best possible mobile phone signal and unlimited data package. He wouldn't be able to work with a cheap "fiver per month" internet package!

You’re so right. I feel so desperately sorry for young people. It’s all so incredibly stressful . I also feel sorry for elderly people who just can’t cope. If they don’t have children to do things for them what are they supposed to do?

BargainNoteB00ks · 15/10/2024 20:24

Ref older vehicles

In the UK cars, vans, & motorbikes over 40 years old do not need a paid MOT. You just need to register that it is MOT exempt.
Vintage insurance, which is generally much cheaper than normal insurance.
Zero tax !
Zero computers, so repairs are easier if you know what you are doing & can source the parts

However, some of the above may change with the next budget.

Secondly, in general it costs less to run a mmotorcycle, than a car.

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