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Why is child support not accounting for the cost of living crisis?

53 replies

AliceWondersWhy · 14/11/2022 05:33

I am just looking for an answer as to why my child support is still the same but the cost of living is going through the roof.

My ex and I, like many people simply use the child maintenance calculator provided by the government to calculate child support. I have no money for lawyers or court orders and as my ex pays his minimum amount each month and has always done so they would be unnecessary.

But why is this amount not changing?!? From what I have read the amount is tied to the amount he earns and the nights my child stays with him. But the cost of living has skyrocketed and as we all know wages have barely risen at all and are now completely out of sink with reality.

So he gets to pay the same amount as he has been and I am left to shoulder all the massive increases in the cost of living. The cost of clothing has almost doubled, food and energy costs are more than doubled and yet there is no reflection in the payments.

I understand everyone is stretched but the massive burden of these costs should surely be shared by both parents. I did read advice online but it was all from lawyers and discussed court orders and legal process. I can't ask my ex for more money as although civil he will not pay a penny more than he has to. I imagine many people are in the same boat as me.

I hopeful I've just missed some important update and that the government has done something about this but been quiet about it...

OP posts:
SpinningFloppa · 15/11/2022 17:36

At least you get some, I don’t get any at all!

mattyprice4004 · 16/11/2022 03:48

Endofmyteatherr · 14/11/2022 06:07

But OPS ex can work 2 jobs if needs be.

It's unfair

So can the OP. What’s your point?

Liorae · 16/11/2022 03:57

brighterthanthemoon · 14/11/2022 06:14

Or see if you can move closer to 50/50 so he's doing more of the parenting

I'd say that wouldn't go down well with the OP.

brighterthanthemoon · 16/11/2022 06:18

Liorae · 16/11/2022 03:57

I'd say that wouldn't go down well with the OP.

Don't see why not. He'd be paying for more of the cost of looking after them AND doing more of the parenting so the kids would get to see him more.

MauveTigerfd · 09/04/2024 08:40

AliceWondersWhy · 14/11/2022 05:33

I am just looking for an answer as to why my child support is still the same but the cost of living is going through the roof.

My ex and I, like many people simply use the child maintenance calculator provided by the government to calculate child support. I have no money for lawyers or court orders and as my ex pays his minimum amount each month and has always done so they would be unnecessary.

But why is this amount not changing?!? From what I have read the amount is tied to the amount he earns and the nights my child stays with him. But the cost of living has skyrocketed and as we all know wages have barely risen at all and are now completely out of sink with reality.

So he gets to pay the same amount as he has been and I am left to shoulder all the massive increases in the cost of living. The cost of clothing has almost doubled, food and energy costs are more than doubled and yet there is no reflection in the payments.

I understand everyone is stretched but the massive burden of these costs should surely be shared by both parents. I did read advice online but it was all from lawyers and discussed court orders and legal process. I can't ask my ex for more money as although civil he will not pay a penny more than he has to. I imagine many people are in the same boat as me.

I hopeful I've just missed some important update and that the government has done something about this but been quiet about it...

Don't you think that the father has also a right to live a decent life? Why don't you go to work full time instead of getting money form the man you decide to leave?
The share living in order with a 50/50 ditect contact will give you the possibility to work more.
The fact is that the Child maintenance is wrongly calculated. On an annual salary of the father, CMS take into consideration the last 5 payslips, so for example the HMRC declare an annual income of 16k, cms will take the last 5 payslip and make an average, the average will be 32k estimate against the actual figure of 16k. So cms will say to pay a 50% higher child maintenance instead of using the 16k figure. Therefore better to come off from the CMS and make an agreement with your ex husband/partner instead of trying to get more, which you already get 50% more. It is disgresful that the income of the receiving parents (mothers) is not taken into account, therefore a mother could earn even £10k per month and still the father with £16k per year need to pay. And you, you are asking to get more!!! Cost of living raised for all of us, not just foe mothers who decided to punish the children by deprive time with their lived fathers. In addition, the cms is calculated on the Gross Taxable Income, therefore fathers are paying as minimum of 22% child maintenance from money they don't get in their pocket.
A constructing things you could have asked is how to make the cms working better instead of get father stressed killed and poorer becsuse the mothers wants to be single mum and do not go to work enable to keep on living at the expenses of the ex partner/husbands!

FlippyFloppyShoe · 09/04/2024 08:50

Apparently my dcs dad hasn't had any pay rise in 10 years despite choosing to change jobs to more senior roles 2 times 🤔.

FlippyFloppyShoe · 09/04/2024 09:03

@MauveTigerfd you talk crap. Mother's income is irrelevant because it is about parents supporting their children not the other parent so why would someone on a higher income who also looks after their child more than the NRP be told they get less money from NRP....how does that encourage NRP to actually do any work when quite often they hide how much they earn anyway, or the mums to do better for themselves?
Would you like NRP partners/wives money taken into account too?

MauveTigerfd · 09/04/2024 09:09

FlippyFloppyShoe · 09/04/2024 09:03

@MauveTigerfd you talk crap. Mother's income is irrelevant because it is about parents supporting their children not the other parent so why would someone on a higher income who also looks after their child more than the NRP be told they get less money from NRP....how does that encourage NRP to actually do any work when quite often they hide how much they earn anyway, or the mums to do better for themselves?
Would you like NRP partners/wives money taken into account too?

Whi is talking crappie it's you. Be respectful before writing.
Your rudness doesn't deserve a response.
Get informed before commenting if factual evidences. And mainly go to work instead of getting money from your ex. The money you gey aren't going to the child instead are going to the mother's pocket. To go to the child those money should ne aid into a child bank account where no parents can withdrawn any penny.

FlippyFloppyShoe · 09/04/2024 10:05

@MauveTigerfd 😂😂😂 I can barely read your response, but not because I am illiterate

MauveTigerfd · 09/04/2024 10:19

FlippyFloppyShoe · 09/04/2024 10:05

@MauveTigerfd 😂😂😂 I can barely read your response, but not because I am illiterate

Thank you for giving a good test of what is mumsnet website. No doubts you are here to extort money to fathers instead of having a constructive conversation and how to make it better for all and mainly for children. You shown a behaviour that is common to narcissist mothers. Well done flippyfloppy.. ahahha I feel sorry for you and your children!

HelloMiss · 09/04/2024 12:27

We by did you resurrect an old thread?

It's a ZOMBIE

MauveTigerfd · 09/04/2024 14:42

MauveTigerfd · 09/04/2024 10:19

Thank you for giving a good test of what is mumsnet website. No doubts you are here to extort money to fathers instead of having a constructive conversation and how to make it better for all and mainly for children. You shown a behaviour that is common to narcissist mothers. Well done flippyfloppy.. ahahha I feel sorry for you and your children!

@FlippyFloppyShoe I agree with you. I couldn't read my post ahahha this is becsuse my fat finger and I was in a short break. However I can confirm you are totally uninformed about the criminal Child Maintenance Service calculate the amount to pay. For your info I'm theory per single child the father must pay the 12% of the taxable gross income per week. However the calculation they do is an average of the last 5 payslip (assuming is weekly) divided by 5, divided by 7 to find out the daily rate, and multiplied by 7 for the weekly rate. The result amount is over the 12%.
My point is to propose a better way to calculate the child maintenance, starting from calculating the amount of net income instead if gross income (this can be seen through HMRC).
Fathers today if they do overtime to pay bills rent child maintenance etc., will end up to pay more child maintenance, so this is unfair and indeed this is the reason why some father do not declare the whole income.
You shold read more instead than making no sense comments and just ask money. Would you like to see your father on the street and homeless?

Endofmyteatherr · 09/04/2024 14:44

SpinningFloppa · 15/11/2022 17:36

At least you get some, I don’t get any at all!

Maybe it's your outlook. It's not a race to the bottom

QueenOfTheEntireFuckingUniverse · 09/04/2024 14:50

HelloMiss · 09/04/2024 12:27

We by did you resurrect an old thread?

It's a ZOMBIE

Was about to ask @MauveTigerfd why they had
A. Resurrected a zombie thread
B. Posted a load of bollocks.

MauveTigerfd · 09/04/2024 14:54

QueenOfTheEntireFuckingUniverse · 09/04/2024 14:50

Was about to ask @MauveTigerfd why they had
A. Resurrected a zombie thread
B. Posted a load of bollocks.

They, Who?

QueenOfTheEntireFuckingUniverse · 09/04/2024 14:55

MauveTigerfd · 09/04/2024 14:54

They, Who?

You. Hence the @ with your name.

SpinningFloppa · 09/04/2024 14:55

Endofmyteatherr · 09/04/2024 14:44

Maybe it's your outlook. It's not a race to the bottom

Yes you're very lucky to get maintenance be grateful for it!

QueenOfTheEntireFuckingUniverse · 09/04/2024 15:01

SpinningFloppa · 09/04/2024 14:55

Yes you're very lucky to get maintenance be grateful for it!

It's not "lucky" to get what you're entitled to. It's shit that your ex doesn't pay a penny. Mine doesn't either.
That doesn't mean other people have to be grateful that get (in most cases) a pittance.

SpinningFloppa · 09/04/2024 15:15

Well they are luckier than some.

WeekendFreedom · 09/04/2024 15:36

Endofmyteatherr · 14/11/2022 06:07

But OPS ex can work 2 jobs if needs be.

It's unfair

what if ex has other children to also look after? Working an extra job may be difficult with childcare which is why you maybe didn’t suggest op get an extra job or more hours. Ops ex will also have his own set of bills to be paying which will more than likely of also increased

Coconutter24 · 09/04/2024 15:38

“But why is this amount not changing?!? From what I have read the amount is tied to the amount he earns and the nights my child stays with him. But the cost of living has skyrocketed and as we all know wages have barely risen at all and are now completely out of sink with reality.”

You’ve asked and answered your own question. It’s based on his income. He will also have his own bills to pay as well

MauveTigerfd · 09/04/2024 15:52

QueenOfTheEntireFuckingUniverse · 09/04/2024 14:55

You. Hence the @ with your name.

You are making no sense, starting from your nickname how rude it is.
That's also the reason why the family law "justice" is a stain in UK.
Get serious queen of potato's...

FlippyFloppyShoe · 09/04/2024 16:01

MauveTigerfd · 09/04/2024 14:42

@FlippyFloppyShoe I agree with you. I couldn't read my post ahahha this is becsuse my fat finger and I was in a short break. However I can confirm you are totally uninformed about the criminal Child Maintenance Service calculate the amount to pay. For your info I'm theory per single child the father must pay the 12% of the taxable gross income per week. However the calculation they do is an average of the last 5 payslip (assuming is weekly) divided by 5, divided by 7 to find out the daily rate, and multiplied by 7 for the weekly rate. The result amount is over the 12%.
My point is to propose a better way to calculate the child maintenance, starting from calculating the amount of net income instead if gross income (this can be seen through HMRC).
Fathers today if they do overtime to pay bills rent child maintenance etc., will end up to pay more child maintenance, so this is unfair and indeed this is the reason why some father do not declare the whole income.
You shold read more instead than making no sense comments and just ask money. Would you like to see your father on the street and homeless?

My dad is fine thanks coz he wasn't a complete cunt

QueenOfTheEntireFuckingUniverse · 09/04/2024 16:09

MauveTigerfd · 09/04/2024 15:52

You are making no sense, starting from your nickname how rude it is.
That's also the reason why the family law "justice" is a stain in UK.
Get serious queen of potato's...

What part of what I said doesn't make sense?

MauveTigerfd · 09/04/2024 16:56

FlippyFloppyShoe · 09/04/2024 16:01

My dad is fine thanks coz he wasn't a complete cunt

Glad to hear that, what about the father of your children?

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