Where are the threads going?

[AreYouVeryAnti]

One on Midazolam a few days ago (absolutely nothing new there) and then another one linking to a Daily Mail Article on the rare AZ side effects and broadly making fun of the comments as being not representative.

Have they been taken down?

Why?

It's this kind of thing that fuels conspiracy theories IMO. I first started sniffing around the entrance to rabbit holes when I saw that interviews of people with vaccine side effects were being removed from YouTube. Why? Why not let people see all the information and decide for themselves?

Do you have any data to back up these assertions?

As far as I was aware, almost all people who got the vaccine also caught Covid, so a risk from Covid, plus (since we do know as a fact that there were some adverse events and deaths from the vaccine), also a potential extra risk from the vaccine.

Another one bites the dust, this time and article from a scientific journal... Was it reported or against some policy and if so which one? And who are we protecting at this point? Over 75s with a penchant for conspiracy theories who can't find anything except on Mumsnet?

@AreYouVeryAnti

No it was because the OP that you were agreeing with and favouring called me a f-ing thick and then used an extremely misogynistic term.
I would assume it was a ‘he’ using that term - was a previously banned poster.

@MintyVesta I'm so sorry you were called names, I agree that's not helpful to debate. I don't remember the mysogynistic term, perhaps I've blocked it out. I can't keep track but I thought that was a different thread, perhaps now they've both gone. I would've thought it sufficient to just remove the post rather than the thread, I'd be very interested to see MNHQs policy. Anyway, hope you're okay.

Thank you @AreYouVeryAnti
I agree with you that the debate is important, but I think there is a way of debating which doesn’t involve being abusive or potentially causing harm to others.

The term began with s and ended with g. Bit of an ‘old fashioned’ term I thought!
I actually think Mumsnet gets it about right, debate wise. I think the discussions are allowed within reason - otherwise we wouldn’t see it as a useful place to post our thoughts.

@AreYouVeryAnti

See above. That mindset is why threads are getting deleted.

I reported it straight away yesterday. Not sure why it's still up. Felt a bit sick when I read it, hope you're okay.

I’ve just reported it. Does seem odd they haven’t been quicker deleting it.

The question is, should entire threads be deleted due to one or two posts? If I were to write horrible things on the long covid thread for example (I wouldn't) should the whole thread go or just my nasty posts?

Here is another one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/04/covid-vaccines-may-have-helped-fuel-rise-in-excess-deaths/

i just want a proper deep dive on this and a full debate. I don’t want to be told I’m anti science or whatever

and if there is no connection then even better and we can try to quell vaccine hesitancy

A thread was deleted on this today.

Why is it deleted? I find it bizarre and sinister. Mainstream press is now reporting on it.

its not like we are vaccinating many people against Covid any more so it’s not like people will be put off!!

mumsnet - can you explain the rationale for deleting threads please?!

The vaccine aged are less likely to die than unvaccinated and, in the U.K. at least the age groups with the highest % increases in excess deaths are the ones we aren’t vaccinating. IiRC the over 65s actually might have fewer deaths than the average.

Lots of things might be contributing to excess deaths (the fact that we are in the middle of a pandemic for starters) but Covid vaccines are highly unlikely to be one of them.

@BeethovenNinth

But it’s ‘The Telegraph’ again!! You MUST know what they’ve been like throughout pandemic - and why!

Why don’t you take their bias into consideration and read a range of sources??

@BeethovenNinth

I think I know about the threads. If a thread is started by a banned poster, the whole thread gets deleted.

I don’t think you or @AreYouVeryAnti - are debating in an abusive way. Therefore I don’t think your post or this thread would get deleted.

Sarah Knapton would have similar views about climate change etc. It’s a political view.

“Right-leaning UK newspapers provide some of the least scientifically accurate coverage of climate change among outlets analysed in a new study, with the Daily Mail and Telegraph “well behind the curve”, according to one of its authors.”
@BeethovenNinth

minty I have subscribed to the Telegraph for several years and can assure you they were very pro vaccine throughout. Actually.

i watched throughout the pandemic when countless posts questioning any aspect of the vaccine or its roll out was questioned. No matter how politely.

i don’t really ascribe to the notion that we can dismiss an argument because it’s “right wing”.

without getting into anecdotes about loved ones who may or may not have been vaccine harmed, I want to see a proper investigation so people can be assured either way.

Another one bites the dust... Oh well at least I don't have to go and vaccinate myself after my avo on toast 😜

It’s bloody ridiculous!

even the mainstream press in the UK is reporting more fully now. I’m absolutely disgusted with you, Mumsnet. The most ridiculous nonsense in threads is allowed ti remain but any questioning of vaccine harms is deleted due to “taking a look behind the scenes”.

censorship is real. You should be ashamed.

I don’t know whether people I love were killed by Covid or a vaccine for it or a coincidence. But it should be discussed freely especially now the vaccine is no longer routinely offered so we can find out. Not least so we can restore faith in all vaccines Or is this about funding???

Wrong. At the time, fact checkers were censoring official govt documents shared by people on SM. So there WAS a concerted effort to silence those who questioned the preferred narrative.

@Jumpingthruhoops

Can you give an example of a European country where you feel there was no ‘cover up’ or where people weren’t being ‘silenced’ or censored?

@BeethovenNinth

Yes but the Telegraph were giving oxygen to the likes of Andrew Wakefield back in the early 2000’s. Do you think Mumsnet should be letting posters share Autism/vaccine rubbish to other parents?
The Torygraph doesn’t think we should be spending public money on vaccines and protecting the weak. It’d rather we spent in lining the pockets of the dominant and wealthy. That’s why it entertains vaccine bias and climate change denial.
Oh - but we should ignore their politics in this instance - shouldn’t we??

It’s a very, very basic secondary school politics lesson - to know the political leaning of our UK press.

So on one hand you are ranting about global political corruption, yet - if any one dares point out the political bias in your sources - it’s ‘why do you keep going on about politics’??