Is there anyone unvaccinated and symptomless with Covid?

[Marmunia10661975]

Just that really. My family including my 81-year-old mum have all been fine. We are all unvaccinated, mixing freely. Mum and daughter didn't catch it at all from us. Hubby and I were fine - sunbathing and watching ironically Djokovic win Wimbledon.

im sorry my reality dont fit your narrative

For clarity, ive lived and worked in retail across Queensland and South Aus
Kid in high school
No masks
Socializing as we see fit, not avoiding crowds
Before i lost my job for not getting it i was in a supermarket, just down the road from a testing center so there is ZERO chance i havent been in contact
Yet not once did i even think i may have caught it

Another mum from my DD school caught it, unvaxxed and her exact words 'ive had worse hangovers'

My best mate, got 2 and got covid was sick as all hell
Her DD got them and didnt seem as badly affected
My MIL got 3 and after the 3rd woke up numb on her left side
The guy who installed our solar almost collapsed on our roof after number 2
My neighbor now has a pacemaker after number 1, her dr gave her a exemption to ALL of them. She was fully pro vax

Could be luck, could be something to do with the jab. We wont ever know cos no one wants to even consider its possible
But my reality is its harmed more than its helped

im sorry my reality dont fit your narrative

@Ineedcoffee2021 this post epitomises everything I've been saying! I'm not describing "my reality", as I don't have tunnel vision and think my personal experience should counter evidence gathered using billions of people.

Could be luck, could be something to do with the jab. We wont ever know cos no one wants to even consider its possible

This is mind boggling. "No one wants to consider it's possible?"

These vaccines are one of the most well investigated intervention that has ever existed - the amount of money and resources that have been directed into understanding how well they work in specific contexts and aspects of side effects, which you're pretending doesn't exist.

Hundreds of independent research groups have used different data sources to get estimates to these questions, yet somehow you think no one is interested.

Of course there will be! And in case you haven't noticed, most of us, vaccinated and unvaccinated have been muxing freely for ages. It's not 2020 anymore.

What a strange post mentioning Djokovick, a known anti-vaxxer. It's as if OP is trying to make an unsubtle point.

Er do antivaXers really think the vaccine makes people's experience of covid worse. Really?

Large for-profit disinformation groups have been making these fake claims before the roll out, and pre-pandemic, for other vaccines.

It is difficult because claims are made by those using a doctor/professor title, often use "scienc-y" language, and come with some kind of source. When you follow the claim back, it is clear there is absolutely no evidence behind it. Classic methods are to present a table/number/sentence from an article out of context with some alarm emojis.

We see a lot of these claims copied onto MN by various posters, who knows if they are genuine or not. I have a lot of time for those genuinely asking questions and wanting information, but they are the minority.

I do not know what the solution is to this, but people need to bear in mind "professional anti-vaxxers" are profiting from causing harm and misery. Be skeptical and apply critical thought to everything, don't just blindly believe someone because they're going against the mainstream opinion (which has never made sense to me )

Me and DH are unvaccinated and had Covid over New Year for the first time.

DH (in 50s) was absolutely fine, practically symptomless, only tested as he felt like he couldn’t get warm and as if his skin was super sensitive which is weird, but I just thought hmm, let’s test. I tested positive the next day (I’m mid 49s) had minor aches and cold symptoms and I lost smell and taste for a couple of weeks. Other than that we were totally fine and have had worse colds.

DS 17 had it last year and was over It in a day. Runny nose was his only symptom. He’s also unvaccinated.

My mum 70 had is last summer, unvaccinated. She was fatigued for a couple of weeks, and her taste went a bit weird, but that was it.

Can we have some data on the profits of Anti-Vaxxers please? Compared and contrasted with earnings of the CEOs of Pfizer, Moderna etc and relative increase in wealth of the wealthiest 10 etc. during Covid.

Why it is that all replies to comments about the for-profit anti vaccine industry are just complete dismissal?

Yes of course you earn shedloads as the CEO of a pharmeutical company.

This is completely redudant when it comes to the current situation of evaluating vaccine efficacy/safety because we are far beyond clinical trials. As has been posted countless times, there are hundreds of independent studies using various indepedent data sources- nothing to do with pfizer/moderna etc - that evaluate these metrics.

It is also irrelevant to fact that that large for-profit anti vaccine disinformation has been an entire industry long before COVID.

You ask for "data" on "antivaxxers" - John Campbell for example earns tens of thousands of pounds monthly from his monetised youtube channel. His controversial anti-vaccine videos get clicks, his boring educational videos do not.

Assem Malhotra charges $20,000 to speak at events, which is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to his specific career.

Pete McCullough has set up a website (won't link) charging £££ for marked up vitamin complexes that can "detox" you after vaccination - problematic given that there is no evidence for efficacy and you could buy them for pennies seperately.

Why are you happy to be so blind to this @AreYouVeryAnti ?

Or another way of putting it @AreYouVeryAnti ...

Why are you (rightly) so skeptical and cynical regarding "big pharma" and their motives, yet completely happy to blindly agree with other entities who are using the pandemic to scam people out of money?

I've always been baffled as to why suspicion only goes one way.

I've actually never said I agree with anyone, never mind blindly. Like you, I've always been baffled as to why suspicion only goes one way.

We are triple vaccinated and neither of us have either ever had it or been completely asymptomatic. Whether you are vaccinated makes no difference to getting it.

The last sentence above is the only sensical one in this whole thread.

I cannot stand the term anti-vaxxer btw. It's offensive to people who chose to do their own research and critical thinking (rightly or wrongly if there even is such a thing yet). They made their own decision and it doesn't effect anyone else but them because the vaccine does not prevent you from getting or passing covid on.

@BananaHamhock

From global vaccine guidelines that have the overwhelming majority of scrutinised, peer reviewed evidence:

Research has shown the vaccines help:

-reduce your risk of getting seriously ill or dying from COVID-19
-reduce your risk of catching or spreading COVID-19
-protect against COVID-19 variants

I accept that a person can make their own decision - but yes, that decision CAN effect other people : and when that person bases that decision on misinformation/attempts to spread misinformation - that can also harm other people and needs to be challenged.

As exemplified by the misinformation in your post.

The issue we have is non-experts, people with low scientific ability having too much confidence in their ‘research’ from looking at unregulated YouTube sources/think tanks/social media. If any kind of critical thinking was applied, they’d realise that these sources are even less reliable, less regulated and promote fringe studies that have absolutely no peer backing.

It’s a bit like going to a 1) a back street clinic for your medical advice rather than 2) following the global guidelines. Which scenario is likely to cause most harm?

You find the term anti vaxxer offensive? Well - I find spreading misinformation extremely offensive - and not only that - it is harmful, dangerous and needs challenging.

@Ineedcoffee2021

My best mate, got 2 and got covid was sick as all hell
Her DD got them and didnt seem as badly affected
My MIL got 3 and after the 3rd woke up numb on her left side
The guy who installed our solar almost collapsed on our roof after number 2
My neighbor now has a pacemaker after number 1, her dr gave her a exemption to ALL of them. She was fully pro vax

To balance out your anecdote, I'll add my own. I live in the same country as you. We've lived fairly normally for the last two years or so; have two kids at uni; my DH goes into the office four days a week; I'm working outside of home two days a week.

• Everyone I know is vaccinated (that I'm aware of) and no-one has mentioned any issues. I don't know of anyone with an exemption.

• I only know of three people in my circle that haven't had Covid.

• Almost all Covid cases have ranged from medium to severe. I'm not aware of any that I could describe as 'mild', even in the younger people.

@Ineedcoffee2021

You’ve chosen to not get vaccinated so your bias is towards anecdotes or hunches that justify your stance.

That is not a safe or reliable way to advise others.

70% of the world has been vaccinated so it’s far safer to rely on global data.

If - say - a pregnant mother chose to smoke and drink through her pregnancy - and her baby was unaffected : should she then encourage others to the same? Should her personal hunch that ‘it’s fine’ carry more weight than what the global guidelines advise?

I was unvaccinated. First time I got it, no symptoms. All fine. Second time, was literally like hell on earth and I felt like I'd been knocked over by a bus. I've seen been vaccinated. Guess it's different for everyone

I don't think you can compare people who pedal lies with companies who produce and sell invaluable drugs that help save millions of lives everyday, do you? 🙄

I cannot stand the term anti-vaxxer btw. It's offensive to people who chose to do their own research and critical thinking (rightly or wrongly if there even is such a thing yet).

But this in turn is offensive to people who also 'did their own research' and 'critically thought' about whether to get jabbed or not, and did choose in favour of having it!

Having said that, I am unvaccinated (needle phobia) and the first time I encountered the virus in 2020 I had no symptoms (so of course had no idea). I later did an antibody test because my DP was ill and thought he may have had Covid. We found both of us had antibodies that lasted many months. This year I had Omicron and was ill for a week with it, losing my taste/sense of smell. My sense of taste has returned but is still wonky. My DP (vaxxed and boosted) had Covid at the same time and was similarly ill, only his taste and smell senses came back quicker and are back to normal.

You can trot out personal anecdotes forever but they are just that, tiny samples of the millions of folk who have had Covid and are either vaxxed or not. You have to look at population size data, not your immediate friends/family to see what's really going on.

I see @Marmunia10661975 is happily spamming other threads with more of the same, but seems unwilling to come back to their own thread.

Bit scared to post in here... 😬

I am not vaccinated, I got covid once (as far as I am aware) last April, had a couple of days really rough, temperature, stayed in bed and then after another 3 days all was cleared up.

I'm wondering what's with the people saying those unvaccinated are selfish? Surely the vaccination was about that individual reducing the symptoms if they caught Covid? So aren't they only doing themselves out of the help that the Vaccine offers? I am sure that after a few initial comments it was decided that the vaccinations had no effect of the actual spread/capability to pass on the virus?

I may be incorrect...too much was said over the whole period by differing sources so I gave up and just concentrated on keeping my nearest and dearest healthy as possible.

...there, I have joined in and hope no one will shout at my opinion 🙂😚

The unvaccinated are imo selfish in that the unvaccinated have a higher likelihood of needing hospital care and inpatient treatment if they get Covid.

your opinion is your opinion @FatandAlmostForty, and I'm glad you felt like it was the right decision for you

I'm wondering what's with the people saying those unvaccinated are selfish?

I do not think it's a helpful or useful narrative.

So - vaccines protected others both directly and indirectly. Directly by reducing both transmision and onward transmission, and indirectly by reducing the liklihood of saturation of healthcare (i.e., no ICU beds left for a child who urgently needs one post car crash). This had a significant impact in the early stages of the pandemic, where the primary course was being offered to the general population.

The impact on transmission/onward transmission has waned significantly due to the rapid mutation rate of SARS-COV-2, although important to note it's not null.

Health disinformation (fake claims about vaccines and COVID) tend to be posted by those who are heavily anti-vaccine. Sometimes these individuals are directly profiting from these claims - aseem malhotra, john campbell, pete mccullough etc. This does contribute to preventable death and disablity.

I do not think someone is selfish for being unvaccinated, or that anyone should go ahead if uncomfortable, but I also think it's important to consider the wider context of it.

Hi Parker, guess that kinda makes sense! Luckily for the NHS and myself I haven't needed hospital care etc.

But thank-you.

Hi Bronze,

Yeah i thought i had understood correctly that the vaccines on this occassion weren't really keeping the spread down much. But as with 'Parkers' post i see what you mean about extra stress on the NHS.

Glad i didn't add to what is a seriously struggling entity! :) Thanks for the insights.

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