How will the covid in China affect us?

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Do you think we are going to get a new wave? Or further lockdowns? 😬

Does anyone care anymore?

I doubt it, there's really no the motivation or money for more lockdowns. Possibly an increase in cases but little will be done and most will recover. Some won't but that's true of all illnesses.

No, .... hope that helps

Risk of new variants which evade our vaccine capture, but to be honest I can't see government chucking anything behind it unless there is clear evidence of horrendous outcomes.

They've extended the free PPE programme until the existing stock runs out, and I would imagine there will be another booster vaccine for older age groups, maybe access to antivirals, otherwise it'll be advice to wash your hands, try to stay at home if unwell (if you can afford to) and wear a face covering if unwell and need to go out.

The problem with people staying home is they then weaken their immune system, get normal

bugs 10x worse than pre covid like most people are experiencing this year and die from a “normal” bug because they are not used to getting sick anymore!

There might be new waves, although the most prevalent strains over there at the moment are B5 which we have in the UK anyway. It's possible a new variant might arise perhaps.

There's not a chance in hell we're going to have another lockdown during this pandemic. I presume the poster who said does anyone care any more was being flippant, but it's true, on a population level we no longer care enough about covid for that to be a viable option, even if the government wanted to. Which they don't.

High covid levels are favourable conditions for new variants, and if we get ones which evade vaccine immunity then that could be problematic

If China had a bad covid winter (as seems very likely) it will affect supply of goods originating there (large scale sick leave disrupting production)

Yep I could definitely see more supply chain issues.

There will be new waves forever.

Exceedingly unlikely to get new lockdowns. Only if vaccinations stop working and deaths rise very significantly

Exactly this. Who gives a fuck, I barely did back then 🤷‍♂️

Even in that situation, if things were bad enough that the parliamentary Tories wouldn't remove Sunak and would accept the colossal financial costs involved, that raises the question of whether we'd actually have enough people willing to work outside the home to sustain a lockdown.

The ones in 2020 and 2021 didn't just require governments that were willing to implement them and a population who were sufficiently willing to adhere. They also required lots of people to work outside the home, otherwise immediately essential services wouldn't have functioned. People had to be quite scared, but not that scared. If we had any illness that was vaccine resistant and much more fatal than covid, it would be up in the air whether society would actually keep functioning.

By what mechanism do you think staying home weakens the immune system ? This does not happen - its just an of repeated meme by people who dont understand it, but think it explains something

That is a complete misinfo, tbh.

Nothing much will happen, because we are immunised

exactly

How is it misinformation? Seems quite clear to me that you need exposure to little germs over the course of the year to avoid being overwhelmed when you get a stronger virus

amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/16/how-will-isolation-affect-long-term-immunity

We do not know how long vaccine immunity lasts

And there are signs of some vaccine escape in some variants.

High case rates, especially of more than one variant concurrently, is a good breeding ground for new variants. And of course the variants which most escape immunity have the evolutionary advantage.

That article is about all germs, not any particular illness-causing pathogens. So even during lockdown, you were still encountering all the scores of others that surround us - the article postulates harm from living on the 24th floor in a sanitised flat and not going out.

Well, unless you were shielding, you could go out daily. Everyone still handled food, breathed unfiltered air, many still met people at work, or has DC in school throughout, occasionally met people, went into their bubble buddy's homes, stroked their pets etc

The immune system isn't like a muscle - it doesn't need workouts. It's more like a photo album of "invaders and how to deal with them" and that would be added to during lockdown from the activities above and scores more.

It’s probably about 3 years to the day that a post like this was ever posted. Didn’t think we’d still be discussing it 3 years later ☹️.

There will never be any more lockdowns, because no one will do it.

I doubt it will make any change in terms of COVID per se.

The strain on the Chinese economy will almost certainly affect us, in terms of the impact on supply chains.

In the mid term, China's opening up will push up energy prices.

If we had an easily transmitted respiratory virus say with a fatality rate of say 5% or greater then that would usher in societal collapse. We got lucky with Covid.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse

As humans spread around the globe, human societies flourish and become more dependent on trade, and because urbanization means that people leave sparsely-populated rural areas for densely-populated neighborhoods, infectious diseases spread much more easily. Outbreaks are frequent, even in the modern era, but medical advances have been able to alleviate their impacts.[55] In fact, the human population grew tremendously in the twentieth century, as did the population of farm animals, from which diseases could jump to humans, but in the developed world and increasingly also in the developing world, people are less likely to fall victim to infectious diseases than ever before. For instance, the advent of antibiotics, starting with penicillin in 1928, has resulted in the saving of the lives of hundreds of millions of people suffering from bacterial infections. However, there is no guarantee that would continue because bacteria are becoming increasingly resistant to antibiotics, and doctors and public health experts such as former Chief Medical Officer for England Sally Davies have even warned of an incoming "antibiotic apocalypse." The World Health Organization warned in 2019 that the spread of vaccine scepticism has been accompanied by the resurrection of long-conquered diseases like measles. This lead the WHO to name the antivaccination movement one of the world's top 10 public-health threats.[59]

Nothing much will happen, because we are immunised.

XBB.1.5/Kraken is thought to be immune-evasive. It is running rife in China.

There will be flow-on effects of millions ill in China for the rest of the world.

Manufacturing, medicines, supply chain, all sorts of things are already being affected. Meanwhile, it is an ideal breeding ground for new variants.

Lockdowns won't happen, though.

what will happen is the economy will suffer and items will become difficult to procure. things like glass jars, of course electronic components, and all things labelled "made in china".
lack of these items may affect jobs and productivity in other countries and other area's of the world.
www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/articles/uktradewithchina2021/2022-06-01

The strain on the Chinese economy will almost certainly affect us, in terms of the impact on supply chains.

I came on here to post this. I have a project at work that is a year behind because of previous supply chain issues but with the new strain it is potentially being put on hold indefinitely because it's so highly likely that more people off sick or isolating in China will have a huge effect on supply chains and manufacturing of goods. The impact could be hugely disruptive.