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No covid testing for Chinese travelling to UK

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Yirk · 29/12/2022 07:24

The government aren't going to enforce mandatory covid testing for Chinese travellers coming to UK , your thoughts ...Good or bad move ?

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notimagain · 01/01/2023 13:02

oreste · 01/01/2023 12:21

That's why a one month ban on Chinese nationals would address the issue of breaking journeys and take us to the end of the Chinese holiday season.

It would address the issue of some taking and braking journeys...there are non Chinese nationals travelling into and out of China, certainly for business purposes.

Twiglets1 · 01/01/2023 13:14

notimagain · 01/01/2023 11:31

The reality is there's lot of transfer traffic ex-UK and into UK on return through places like Amsterdam, Paris and Frankfurt due to the level of UK Air Passenger Duty on Longhaul sectors, probably 20-30% of footfall through the major hub airports in Europe is transfer..

It's one off the reasons KLM/AF and Lufthansa operate fairly frequent services such as EDI-AMS or EDI-FRA...people like avoiding London for reasons various.

It's quite disturbing to read comments in the Guardian with regard to the recent testing requirements such as:

"Because travel is a devolved matter the decision will affect England only. However, all direct flights from China are said to land in England."

Yes I don’t disagree some people will fly via other places but the fact remains it will reduce traffic from China into the U.K.

notimagain · 01/01/2023 13:21

That should have read...: "but of course there are non Chinese nationals travelling into and out of China, certainly for business purposes."

I was working at an airline when this all kicked off in 2020, the consequences were not pleasant for many and that tends to colour my opinion somewhat.

From what I saw back then the way some of the measures were at various stages either enforced or relaxed demonstrated a massive lack of understanding at high political level and also amongst some of the general public about the way many people travel around the world or even just Europe these days.

At other times it looked like the politicians simply reacted to popular opinion (possibly stirred up in the MSM) regardless of whether the actions made any sense from a medical/epidemic POV or not.

This time around effectively putting restrictions on entry to the UK only if arriving from China direct into London doesn't make a lot of sense...banning Chinese nationals might not make much sense either given other nationalities travel......

Ultimately if there is a need to start clamping down on travel ( and I'm not a medic so I have no idea if that's the case) IMO the measures actually have to have some effectiveness...they should not be put in place just to satisfy a body of opinion that maybe claims something, anything, must be done.

RafaistheKingofClay · 01/01/2023 13:41

It would make more sense to put checks on people travelling from the US at this point. That’s where most of the XBB1.5 is IIRC.

Testing flights from China is likely to make little, if any difference to covid in the U.K.

tiggergoesbounce · 01/01/2023 14:04

My Aunties care home is in "lockdown" with no visitors, staff sent home and told not to return until a few days clear of Covid.
I thought it was BAU if you had Covid now.

tiggergoesbounce · 01/01/2023 14:06

If the chineese are worrying about it over there, doesnt do any harm to try and keep an eye on people coming in.

MeetPi · 01/01/2023 23:47

@SirMingeALot

None of this tells us anything about the society being discussed.

That doesn't matter, really. It was only noted as a point of interest.

We already know that compliance, observation, adherence, whatever was a problem here even back when it was a legal requirement. Indy SAGE, of all people, talked quite a bit about this, and you presumably know they weren't exactly opponents of the rule.

And this was before the full collective public experience of Partygate. Any analysis that doesn't even try to account for that very significant factor is pointless.

Although not resident there, I always find constant references to this amusing given that many posters here were doing the exact same thing at the time. But if you can hold up that yardarm forever and say, "what about this?" I'm pleased for you.

Also, you appear only to be referring to isolation due to covid here. The poster I was responding to wasn't.

You weren't responding to anyone.

So yes, delusional.
Again, not really. It works for us. No-one even has to get fined!

SirMingeALot · 02/01/2023 08:27

That doesn't matter, really. It was only noted as a point of interest.

It couldn't matter more, when your point waa that if you think it's happening where you are, that's relevant to the UK. And you even do it again at the end! The fact that something allegedly happens in one unnamed society doesn't in itself give it the slightest relevance in respect of another.

Although not resident there, I always find constant references to this amusing given that many posters here were doing the exact same thing at the time. But if you can hold up that yardarm forever and say, "what about this?" I'm pleased for you.

Perhaps your amusement stems from your incorrect assessment of the situation. Posters here weren't doing the exact same thing unless you think they were in or working at the heart of government. Do you?

The difficulty that the Tories face is that they were so obviously engaging in one rule for me, one rule for thee. Then lying and bullshitting about it for sustained periods. That behaviour did a number on public trust, which had actually been pretty high earlier on in the pandemic. Johnson has gone now, but those who remain spent months minimising. It isn't an innately pro or anti restrictions argument to acknowledge that these are just not people who have the credibility to take the public with them any more.

You weren't responding to anyone

Yes I was. That's what the part about introducing and reintroducing isolation was about. If you want to say it wasn't clear, that's a fair point, but it isn't actually a matter of opinion that it was a response.

And the fact that it was a response to a point about isolation not just for covid is essential to the explanation of why it was delusional. If you ignore that point, your attempt to refute mine can't do anything other than fail...

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