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Hope okay to put this here - mandates

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EmmaH2022 · 26/10/2022 21:57

An extract from Hansard, in which an MP, very much too little too late, says this..

"I am a member of the all-party parliamentary group on covid-19 vaccine damage, which my hon. Friend the Member for Christchurch chairs. The APPG looks at vaccine injuries, and we had what I think was our first meeting last week in a Committee room in Portcullis House. I am afraid there were only a tiny handful of colleagues there, but well over a hundred members of the public attended, which is not the usual story for an APPG. I felt somewhat ashamed, on behalf of Parliament, that that was the first time that those members of the public—including families of the bereaved, who are themselves injured citizens—had had the opportunity to be in a room with members of this House, but I am very pleased that we are having this debate, and particularly pleased that there is an opportunity for members of the public to hear from the Minister on this topic.......

Although many questions about our covid response need to be answered, the UK is by no means the worst offender. We are not Canada, New Zealand or China—places where Governments think they can exterminate covid by depriving their population of the most basic civil liberties. However, I am afraid that we still have many questions to ask ourselves, and even much to be ashamed of. I put on record that in hindsight I am particularly ashamed of my vote to dismiss care workers who did not want to receive the vaccine. I very much hope that the 40,000 care workers who lost their jobs can be reinstated, and indeed compensated".

Full Hansard notes here
hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2022-10-24/debates/FF880636-BC3B-4BDB-A5E0-D6D4B82B2888/Covid-19VaccinesSafety

some of you will know that courts in NY - and possibly Alberta now - are overturning some mandates.

there's a petition link for the Uk which I'm putting in the relevant section, as I'm not allowed to put it anywhere else.

of course, it's bloody awful the public paying for this, it should come from pharma profits.

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hamstersarse · 28/10/2022 14:00

hangryyhippo · 28/10/2022 13:06

(you put the never in bold - I'm guessing to really hammer home this view you hold)

You've had so many posts deleted over the past couple of years, and don't seem to take on board any information posters share with you, including those who are evidently pretty qualified in science/medicine.

The mandates never did protect anyone. Are you thinking they did?

hamstersarse · 28/10/2022 14:05

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EmEllGee · 28/10/2022 15:20

@hamstersarse

You get your posts deleted because

  • misinformation is harmful.

In a similar way - mnhq would delete offensive posts about race/gender/ableism etc because they are harmful.

I hope you eventually get a ban.

hangryyhippo · 28/10/2022 16:03

hamstersarse · 28/10/2022 14:00

The mandates never did protect anyone. Are you thinking they did?

It was your claim that vaccines never protected anyone I was responding to @hamstersarse - think this is pretty clear from my replies though!

DaSilvaP · 30/10/2022 06:00

EmEllGee · 28/10/2022 06:48

@EmmaH2022

I think it’s very important to extrapolate the science from the politics.

Mandates were being used globally and varied in their implementation from country to country. I’d see that more as a political decision and I can see the debate around that. My opinion is : no one wanted them, I think that freedom of choice should exist - BUT we were in an emergency situation and no one had a crystal ball or knew what might happen next. If a mandate could save and protect the lives of many vulnerable people in an emergency situation - I would go for a mandate. I would no longer want that mandate once the critical situation had passed. It’s very easy to look back in hindsight and criticise the loss of jobs - while forgetting the huge death toll in care homes. I’m afraid I would save a life over a job.

What I have a real ‘bug bear’ with is that people THEN use this to question the science. Science IS awe inspiring. We have the most brilliant minds globally working meticulously on viruses and vaccines. The overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion is that the vaccine is safe - and far, far safer than your risk from Covid.

You cannot CANNOT base decision making on pseudoscience, unverified claims, hunches, anecdotal evidence, books by people who are not qualified and perhaps show their political persuasions by hobnobbing with the likes of Farage, fringe studies and YouTube videos. What would happen to public health if medicine continually sided with ‘fringe’ science that has not been robustly reviewed/tested/regulated - or with the view of Auntie Vera’s hairdresser (as someone put it on another thread)?

It’s very easy to look back in hindsight and criticise the loss of jobs - while forgetting the huge death toll in care homes. I’m afraid I would save a life over a job.

It's also very easy (or convenient?) to ignore a little unimportant totally secondary detail:

the huge death toll in care homes created by arm-twisting care homes (full of people in the most-at-risk age group) into taking patients from hospitals - most of them already infected.

All that done to empty hospitals for a supposed coming tsunami of 500,000 people dying from a novel disease. Based on predictions that were NEVER "peer reviewed" ...

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