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So what are the rules now?

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honeybooboo33 · 12/07/2022 09:16

It's so confusing. Workplaces telling staff to go in even if they're positive. Testing no longer free or mandatory. So what do you actually do if you suspect you have it? I suppose a lot of it comes down to moral obligation rather than 'rules'.

Dh tested positive earlier this week. Was unwell for a day or two but it picking up again now. I have headache and hay fever symptoms but am not unwell in the sense that I can't function, just feel a bit grotty. The heat isn't helping either. Dc have no symptoms and have end of term things at school that they are looking forward to.

I have no tests left in the house (used all my tests up testing us all when dh first tested positive - at which point the rest of the house was negative). My question is am I meant to be buying tests to keep checking us all? It would mean making a special journey and I kind of feel like after all dc have missed out on it would be shit for them to have to skip the last few weeks of school when they're not even unwell. I know that wont go down well but seriously, how many people are walking around with it now that we no longer get free tests? Or even walking around knowing they have it since there's no longer any legal obligation to isolate?

I just wondered what other people are doing at this point I guess...

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maryso · 14/07/2022 13:38

@ApplesandBunions back again, of course. Hope you had a cosy warm break yesterday. Perhaps I've not been as explicit as needed.

The disease transmits because (if I'm contagious) I spew my inner fluids (usually mouth or nose, take your pick) accurately into your (clean of virus) nose or mouth in large enough quantities onto the correct receptors that it can attach to and get on with infecting you. This is how it happens, and there is no magic involved. Behavioural intervention options have always been about "space, face and hands" - that's all the rules anywhere on this planet have every been about. These rules span the pre-vaccine enforced distancing (on which we were at the low intensity end, thankfully) to simply asking people to change their behaviour on "space, face, hands" as say Sweden did. Meanwhile vaccines and cures were developed, and that is still ongoing, against a constantly adapting virus. The less we're susceptible to death, the more chance we have to adapt, so helpful behaviour to reduce and avoid my shooting my fluids with precision into your (I was going to say innocent, however they're obviously not so innocent if you're not properly N95/99 masked up, are they?) nasal and oral passages. Whether this is by my kindness (my mask, distancing) or your caution (your mask, distancing) is not relevant. The trouble with masks is that they're like cars or guns or Strads; none of these are useless or dangerous or musically divine, it is a person's behaviour that makes them useless or dangerous or divine. Even if the rules say to mask up, people not wearing them properly means there are no rules. None of this is difficult to get, the public health messaging has always been about proper masking, yet it seems such a fashionable thing to boast that you're so special they're either not needed or don't work, or so cool to do the nostril/chin strap rebel thing. It is entirely the person that is to blame responsible, not the mask/car/gun/Strad.

Back to your holy grail of proving that rules don't work. Well they work for a lot of countries much better than they do here, despite our heritage of free and very good education, healthcare. Even ones that did not lock down. That's fact, in the death data. Your mantra demanding "proof" is disingenuous at best because you pretend that there is no link between behaviour and transmission and death. We're "unlucky" in that we have lots of international traffic especially through London, so behaviour is even more important in our case. The Sage advisers have always known that culturally we're going to break the rules enough (it's in the data, as always) that the vaccines were essential so we have a better chance of surviving and time to adapt. The cessation of rules in February was because they were being flouted anyway, and vaccination had enough coverage that economic activity could be balanced with health for all but the vulnerable and elderly. Of course, almost all health sector workers knew that that meant every vulnerable person became a second rate citizen from that point.

Living with the virus is literally down to personal choices, so you're clearly on your own, although most of us can easily spot our tribe. I'm not keen to either projectile vomit my inner fluids onto anyone, nor guzzle someone else's fluids. I maintain space, mask up properly and learn to keep my hands away from my face. That's not "faith", it's following rather than flouting behavioural patterns that benefit me and everyone else. Whatever "proof" you need, you will find in the Sage evidence on behaviour and their advice given their expertise in how we behave in the UK. If that's not enough, well dear @ApplesandBunions, have a happy time wallowing in the bodily fluids sharing tribe. I'm perfectly happy for you to blame me for whatever you've concocted in your head. If you need to be "right" about whatever you've drummed up, fill your boots. It's nothing to me and may fill a need in you. I therefore will not be responding to any more of your repeated rants on the basis that there's no addressing someone who continues to insist that behaviour is not a cause of transmission and deaths, and therefore that behaviour is not reflected in the death numbers and patterns. It's obvious that it doesn't matter to many that the NHS is screaming under the weight of avoidable covid-related infections (patients and staff) and patients who through no fault of their own dying from being blocked from treatment. I accept that I've wasted my time here because despite space/ventilation and high filtration masks being reported and advised nationally, we'll always have the cool, popular, clever, special people who don't need them and who they don't work for. Wonder if they know they're also all so predictable from the data.

I'm more concerned at the derailment, and hope the OP is better, and managing to juggle everyone's needs in the family.

ApplesandBunions · 14/07/2022 14:16

You're right (for once). You haven't been as explicit as needed. You've still failed to provide evidence for your claim that England removing mask and isolation rules earlier in the year has led to our current peak, and nothing in the latest wall of adolescent nonsense has done so. SAGE modelling certainly isn't it, and the rest of your post can essentially be summed up as you sharing your faith based conclusions and wailing heretic when anyone disagrees.

So, if you do manage to stick the flounce (let's see...) your involvement in the discussion can be summed up thus. Made a claim, failed to back it up, got arsey when asked, confused the existence of a peak with the existence of causation and then, after fully embarrassing yourself, only then decided you were above it all.

ApplesandBunions · 14/07/2022 14:19

secretllama · 13/07/2022 14:14

You can't answer my original question clearly.

Of course my feelings are involved when it comes to mask wearing... You're not clever for pointing that out. The thought of them being the norm in society makes me feel depressed quite frankly so I'm ecstatic they're gone. So are most people as it's clear when you're out in public. I live in Scotland where our rates were higher despite us having masks for much longer so I'll not be convinced they prevented spread.

None of them ever have an explanation for the outcomes in England and Scotland when the former got rid of mask rules and the latter didn't. It's very telling.

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