I know more people with covid now than at any point before

[AmIAJoke]

Including myself!

My work has half the staff out, 4 of my friends (in various locations from Manchester to Edinburgh) are positive and several of my sports club. These groups aren’t linked in any way. No one is seriously ill (thankfully) but most seem to be fairly unwell - minimum one week off work kind of ill. It’s been the worst bug I’ve had in many years.

It seems strange whilst there is almost zero talk in the media and yet so many in my life.

Is this is now? Regular repeating cycles of being unwell with covid now jabs are wearing off? I guess we just have to accept and be grateful it’s not making us seriously ill - but it’s no fun and I am worrying about long covid as I’m exhausted.

I dont really understand the article. Does it mean reduced immune response to everything or just covid?

I have covid for the first time and feel pretty ill with it. I wouldnt have gone to work the last 3 days in earlier pre covid times either.

My son has covid round two. It triggered shingles last time so im hoping it doesnt this time.

What should we have done?

I believe the thinking is that we should have let healthy people get it, without vaccines. Give vaccines only to those at risk of dying:

I know, it’s hard to know isn’t it. We did see what happened before mass vaccination though. Original virus, Alpha and Delta variants and massive waves and over 1000 deaths a day in the U.K. alone (not delta deaths so much here as vac had kicked in but thinking back to the horrors in India).

Overall vaccines I think have been positive but would it just have burned out and settled down if we weren’t always trying to keep one step ahead of it? Who knows.

Ive had 3 vaccines and would be happy to keep getting a yearly booster though. When I had it, it was super mild. I have kind of assumed I’ll get the summer out of it (had it 3 weeks ago) but to be honest I doubt I’ll bother testing again.

I would agree with this.

I maybe know 300 people who have got covid since it began.

1 died[he had had cancer, and had no immune system left to speak of when he caught covid].

None of the rest went to hospitalthough one was already there, but sailed through covid, even though weak and 90].

But there were also people who were not vaccinated, and either did not get it, or did, and did not suffer badly[1 did get long covid].

All anecdotal I know.
But this is effectively a sample size of 300 people of all ages, veering towards the more elderly.

Dr Geert Vanden Bossche predicted this as an outcome of doing mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic with a non-sterilising vaccine (I.e. can still catch it and spread it)

So how many peer reviewed journals will we find his work in @hamstersarse ?

I wont answer for @hamstersarse

but I imagine[well I know a bit actually] that some things are never got to be in "peer related journals"

which I also imagine you understand the reasons why @Sosad83 ?

And I imagine this has been discussed before on mumsnet?[ad infinitum]?
Disclosure - I am not on MN as much as others, but prob enough to know that.

I don’t doubt vaccinations have saved many, many lives. And we all heard of stories where fit, healthy people were dropping dead so we couldn’t quite work out who would be the healthy ones to fight off this virus.

I’m pro vaccine. I had all 3. Initially to do my bit and ‘stop the spread’ which to be fair they don’t do that well.

I do think we’ve completely dismissed/ downplayed the role of building natural immunity. I would really like to see more research and discussion on this going forward. Though I know with the high rate of reinfections this is a divisive subject.

The ‘peer reviewed’ argument is curious given the vaccine trials themselves were not peer reviewed, indeed unpublished until a court ordered them to be released

It's not seasonal though is it?

This is a an opinion letter from a cardiovascular surgeon. He had no test subjects, no ethics approval, and no data to draw from or submit. Commonly, you would tear apart an epidemiologist giving an opinion in such a way. But this because this person suggests vaccines should be discontinued in seriously ill pre-operative patients, he receives a pass?