What's happening in Shanghai (China)?

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On Twitter, there's a lot of alarming videos/ pictures coming from Shanghai? Are these genuine or from the previous lockdowns?

[quote ShanghaiDiva]@HesterShaw1
I am not the ‘look east’ poster, but there were some things the Chinese did well e.g stopping movement between cities and provinces. Remember the UK tier system? What an absolute farce...if people are able to move between tiers then the tiers themselves are meaningless and we all move to the top level.
China also had a check in system with qr codes, similar to our test and trace, but it actually worked...
I lived in China for 12 years so do have some clue about China and how the regime operates.[/quote]

The 'look East' poster, as I understand it, wasn't referring to China in her posts. There are more countries in countries in Asia, FYI. I think she may have been referring to Singapore (or possibly Japan or South Korea).

Disclaimer: I am not the ' look East' poster

@HesterShaw1

I'm sure if you have chosen to live in China for the last 12 years, you don't really mind how Chinese government operates or how it regards its citizens. That's your prerogative I guess.

Does that mean you support every shitty thing the UK has done? Because I don't.

It's funny how we look the other way when china is obviously being mental. It just reminds me of all the videos of people collapsing in the street prior to the original lock downs.

Seems like eerie foreshadowing, next pandemic incoming. Let's face it, the last one worked really well.

Bizarrely there are still some people that would welcome this kind of approach in the U.K.

mobile.twitter.com/DonnaWongHK/status/1512471322051366929?t=T6y2etOl71KmJi5Vt71z6Q&s=19

[quote ShanghaiDiva]@HesterShaw1
I am not the ‘look east’ poster, but there were some things the Chinese did well e.g stopping movement between cities and provinces. Remember the UK tier system? What an absolute farce...if people are able to move between tiers then the tiers themselves are meaningless and we all move to the top level.
China also had a check in system with qr codes, similar to our test and trace, but it actually worked...
I lived in China for 12 years so do have some clue about China and how the regime operates.[/quote]
The tier system was an obviously terrible idea right from the start, yes. Wishful thinking on a grand scale, and can't be separated from the fact that the regions that got to be the guinea pigs weren't ones where people the Tories care about live.

There's no way such a system could ever have worked, particularly in a small and densely populated country, without significant security apparatus to enforce it. England doesn't have that apparatus, which is an unequivocally good thing. The Chinese people would be better off if they didn't either.

[quote AlecTrevelyan006]Bizarrely there are still some people that would welcome this kind of approach in the U.K.

mobile.twitter.com/DonnaWongHK/status/1512471322051366929?t=T6y2etOl71KmJi5Vt71z6Q&s=19[/quote]

Please name them.

And Donna Wong's tweets are deliberately inflammatory and full of hyperbole. Some of the videos are not what they seem or are mysterious in origin, but that hasn't stopped her using them for her own ends.

I honestly struggle to see many people coming out and admitting they'd be ok with this approach in the UK. The odd tankie, shit stirrer and sociopath aside, but they're irrelevant.

The more likely scenario is having been unable or unwilling to understand that this is where you end up when there's an impossible to control variant and a restriction based approach with no rule of law or off ramp. Also that because even this hasn't actually controlled the virus in China, nobody's sensible mitigations or circuit breaks were going to do it either. Sometimes with a bit of light minimisation of what's actually happening over there too. It's more about naivety, denial and backtracking.

Is it just Shanghai? Or will the other cities be locking down too?

Jilin province in the NE of China has had a number of cases and I believe there were lockdowns in Changchun.
The city I lived in also had some restrictions at the end of March: online schooling and mandatory testing and large gatherings are still restricted eg a friend of mine has postponed her wedding. When cases pop up the govt is very quick to respond.

Genuine. Because they have had a zero covid policy most people are immunogically naive = they get sicker than us. Vaccine uptake also low.

As I’ve said before we are still mid pandemic.