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Schools still a covid shitshow

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noblegiraffe · 19/03/2022 12:40

"Schools have been forced to send year groups home this week because of "rapidly rising" Covid rates among staff and an inability to find supply teachers, it has emerged.

The removal of the need for Covid testing among staff and pupils was making the situation worse, with some schools now experiencing their worst absence levels of the pandemic, a headteachers' leader told Tes.

Heads warn that some schools are having to send year groups home on a rota or combine class groups in an attempt to protect exam year groups from more disruption."

www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/covid-schools-absence-send-year-groups-home-cases-spike

Some will claim that getting rid of testing would improve the situation, but clearly a situation where lots of teachers are getting ill and requiring a few days off school to recover, regardless of isolation rules, is not 'getting back to normal'.

The teachers that I know who have had covid recently would have required a few days off school despite it being 'mild' even without isolation guidance, even though teachers are well-known for dosing on Lemsip and turning up to school regardless of illness because setting cover work is worse.

Still, the covid catch-up effort has basically fizzled out, and it's looking like zero effort will be made by the government to support children in recovering their education from the impact of absences and lack of teachers.

Exams start in a couple of months for kids who are having an extremely disruptive time. The government has fixed the exam grades so that they will come out with better results than the 2019 cohort, this will basically cover up the impact on educational standards. How this will play out down the line at uni/college/sixth form is anyone's guess.

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noblegiraffe · 20/03/2022 21:45

Kids and staff catch colds multiple times in the school year!

Indeed they do. And staff come into work with them dosed up on Lemsip all the time. So when school staff are telling you that this is different and they needed time off, you should probably listen to them.

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noblegiraffe · 20/03/2022 21:47

@CallmeHendricks

I suppose the difference here is that parents are likely to be less aware that their child's education is being adversely affected. Many will think that as schools are open, then all is well, whereas when they were (mainly) closed, it was very obvious that things were awry. I wonder which of the two scenarios has the better capacity for smooth provision of work?
I was thinking of previous terms when schools were open but the isolation rules meant that kids were constantly in and out and it was impossible to plan for coherent learning.

We were told that the end of isolation would mean less disruption. We were told the end of compulsory routine testing would mean less disruption. So that headteachers are reporting more disruption is pretty worrying.

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noblegiraffe · 20/03/2022 21:48

End of close contact isolation, I should say.

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mrshoho · 20/03/2022 21:56

I'd love nothing more not to have to care about it but I have to go to work in a place where the impact continues to be horrible. High staff absence that puts pressure on the remaining staff. SLT only closing classes as a very last resort. More mistakes are happening (we administer medication and tube feeds), staff are returning not fully recovered. We are also 2 TAs down and no success in recruiting. My back and neck is killing me and I am thinking of handing in my notice.

My mother is in a care home and we've heard now that it is back in outbreak measures so no more visiting. It had only been out of special measures for about 2 weeks.

raspberryjamchicken · 20/03/2022 21:57

Indeed they do. And staff come into work with them dosed up on Lemsip all the time

Agree. Most teachers will struggle in unless they are vomiting or unable to get out if bed as it is less hassle than setting cover (in our case always for an unqualified TA to try and teach, so can't just hand over your usual planning.)

The staff ill with Covid at the moment are unable to get out of bed. Some of them are vomiting too for good measure.

whataballbag · 20/03/2022 22:02

@Eyedropeyeflop

Kids and staff catch colds multiple times in the school year!

Hardly ground breaking is it?

Who even cares anymore?

My kids have had it twice, just a sniffle. I honestly can’t think of a single person in real life (from all walks of life) who actually cares about it anymore.

I work for the ambulance service and the amount of covid patients coming through to us at the moment, some of which are very very poorly indeed is still high,

It's not a sniffle for all.

CallmeHendricks · 20/03/2022 22:08

We have no TAs in one year group (due to Covid) where there are two children with serious medical cases. That means pulling TAs from other classes to support them, which means that those classes lose their interventions and class support, impacting loads more children's learning.

But yeah, "Who even cares anymore."

noblegiraffe · 20/03/2022 23:18

Not having to care anymore seems a bit of a luxury position. And a bit of a naive one if you have kids.

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OxanaVorontsova · 21/03/2022 00:30

Lilaclavenders

I don't know much about other subjects but I do know that the Modern Foreign Languages exams have a huge amount of help/guidance

Really? As far as I’m aware there’s no impact at all on 3/4 of the papers for GCSE languages and minimal info for the 4th, which happens after the other 3 so the full spec has to be prepared. This in a subject so notoriously hard to do well in that exam boards were already looking at adjusting grade boundaries pre Covid.

Piggywaspushed · 21/03/2022 06:51

I honestly can’t think of a single person in real life (from all walks of life) who actually cares about it anymore.

You don't know any education staff or medics or vulnerable people in real life then.

MsAwesomeDragon · 21/03/2022 07:26

We're back in masks in corridors from today. I'm having to set remote learning for every lesson because of children who are ill with covid. 12yo DD has covid and feels a bit shit. My elderly, cev dad has covid. He's preparing to need hospital because he's got so many other conditions he may well need it.

I WISH I could just not care about it any more.

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Eyedropeyeflop · 21/03/2022 09:25

Laughing at the suggestion I don’t know any people who work in education or healthcare (when I technically work in both lol) 😂😂

Okaayyy then.

Education was a shit show long before covid, as was healthcare. No need for the hysteria anymore though within schools.

And yes it really is true I can’t think of a single person who does actually care as much as you lot.

CallmeHendricks · 21/03/2022 09:45

If you truly "technically" work in schools, then you'll know that no one is "hysterical." We are all getting on with our jobs, same as we've done from Day One.
But it's not unreasonable to point out the challenges and the dire state of things which, yes, have been bad for a long time, but have now got a whole lot worse.

noblegiraffe · 21/03/2022 10:11

“Hysteria” Hmm

Good to know that no one should care because things were also shit before covid. High expectations there…

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goldenlilliesdaffodillies · 21/03/2022 14:02

As a teacher I have managed to avoid covid until now. It certainly isn't a 'sniffle'. I feel really unwell. There's a massive outbreak at my school. This isn't surprising as parents are sending their children into school clearly covid. I had a whole row of visibly ill children in my lessons last week. Children get sent home ill- and their parents send them back the next day still clearly ill. I understand people need to go to work, but sending children to school with covid results in lots of staff being off sick. The staff are pretty sick with covid.

middleager · 21/03/2022 14:26

@Eyedropeyeflop

Kids and staff catch colds multiple times in the school year!

Hardly ground breaking is it?

Who even cares anymore?

My kids have had it twice, just a sniffle. I honestly can’t think of a single person in real life (from all walks of life) who actually cares about it anymore.

I care. Both my children have GCSEs this year. I care about the chaos and disruption they've had, they're currently having, the threat of Covid during GCSE weeks (5 weeks). They've both had Covid, I've had Covid, this isn't just caring about illness, it's the constant worry, stress and strain on schools.
Lilaclavenders · 21/03/2022 14:43

Really? As far as I’m aware there’s no impact at all on 3/4 of the papers for GCSE languages and minimal info for the 4th, which happens after the other 3 so the full spec has to be prepared.

I was talking about A level language exams! Huge amount of help and topics given in 3 out of 4 papers this year.

Lilaclavenders · 21/03/2022 14:48

And yes it really is true I can’t think of a single person who does actually care as much as you lot.

I have to agree that most people in real life, including pupils, teachers and other parents are very relaxed about Covid.

Perhaps we're just lucky but the teaching, especially for exam years, is brilliant and I'm very thankful to our great teachers (and headmaster). Hardly any disruption this term.

noblegiraffe · 21/03/2022 15:25

Well given the reports from the HTs in the article in the OP, and the reports from both teachers and parents on this thread, it would seem that you are lucky to have had ‘hardly any disruption’ this term (I note you don’t say ‘no disruption’, so things not brilliant).

As for ‘very relaxed about covid’ I suspect you are confusing whether people are concerned about the impacts of covid with whether they’ll e.g. go to Nando’s with you. If teachers aren’t concerned about the impact of covid then I’m not sure what would worry them.

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Auvergnewater · 21/03/2022 15:34

Are you then wanting schools to be places staff are less likely to get covid, ergo not have to be off with it Giraffe?

Because I don’t honestly think that is possible.

noblegiraffe · 21/03/2022 15:59

But you say that about everything.

We know that e.g. opening a window helps so the idea that nothing can be done is just giving up.

ONS data shows that education professionals have been pretty much the hardest hit by covid since January, and given the disruption that causes, of course efforts should be made to do something about it.

A multi-pronged approach of lessening the spread in schools, improving teacher supply and school staffing and measures to catch up children whose education has been affected should be a no-brainer.

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MrsHamlet · 21/03/2022 16:06

Erm.... I "actually" work in a school. No hysteria here but we're struggling to get staff in front of classes right now.

twinkletoesimnot · 21/03/2022 16:17

My HT has just said that they covered me with an HLTA today. She's only part time so can only do tomorrow morning, and is committed elsewhere for the rest of this week.
They cannot get supply despite trying all day.
They could ask the teacher next door to have them but this would mean 4 year groups together, so not ideal and obviously not conducive to learning.
I'm day 6 but still strong positive. I could possibly have gone in today based on how I'm feeling but that's with me laying around literally doing nothing - not a good comparison for my usual day!
It's a mess!

noblegiraffe · 21/03/2022 16:22

The DfE has refused to publish data from its call for an army of retired teachers which means it was not successful.

schoolsweek.co.uk/covid-ex-teacher-call-to-arms-falls-flat-as-1-in-3-make-it-to-classroom/

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