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Schools still a covid shitshow

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noblegiraffe · 19/03/2022 12:40

"Schools have been forced to send year groups home this week because of "rapidly rising" Covid rates among staff and an inability to find supply teachers, it has emerged.

The removal of the need for Covid testing among staff and pupils was making the situation worse, with some schools now experiencing their worst absence levels of the pandemic, a headteachers' leader told Tes.

Heads warn that some schools are having to send year groups home on a rota or combine class groups in an attempt to protect exam year groups from more disruption."

www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/covid-schools-absence-send-year-groups-home-cases-spike

Some will claim that getting rid of testing would improve the situation, but clearly a situation where lots of teachers are getting ill and requiring a few days off school to recover, regardless of isolation rules, is not 'getting back to normal'.

The teachers that I know who have had covid recently would have required a few days off school despite it being 'mild' even without isolation guidance, even though teachers are well-known for dosing on Lemsip and turning up to school regardless of illness because setting cover work is worse.

Still, the covid catch-up effort has basically fizzled out, and it's looking like zero effort will be made by the government to support children in recovering their education from the impact of absences and lack of teachers.

Exams start in a couple of months for kids who are having an extremely disruptive time. The government has fixed the exam grades so that they will come out with better results than the 2019 cohort, this will basically cover up the impact on educational standards. How this will play out down the line at uni/college/sixth form is anyone's guess.

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exLtEveDallas · 23/03/2022 06:36

I am so fed up with this utter shit show. We have a staff of 28 teachers and TAs. Right now we have 11 off, 9 with Covid. We have managed, but those left are on their knees. 3 of the Covid cases are mild and they can’t wait to get back, plus are online teaching. 6 are dreadfully ill and I imagine will be off for the full 10 days. Last week 4 were off and are back in this week, still coughing but testing neg now.

A new case this morning has had 5 negative LFTs in the last week, he PCRd yesterday as the doctor wouldn’t see him without and he couldn’t shift his ‘cold’. The test has come back pos, despite him LFTing about an hour before the PCR. He is beside himself that he may have passed it on further.

We are firefighting and childcare rather than educating right now, and it’s bloody wrong. I’ve never known my teachers so down and disillusioned. Sad

supersonicspider · 23/03/2022 06:51

As a primary TA, I often cover staff who are off with covid. I am literally sitting, working with children who have covid and/or their family members have covid. I can't social distance from them. I get sneezed and coughed on. I don't have any PPE like hospital staff do. I could be working closely to support a child who then is absent the next day with covid.

FrippEnos · 23/03/2022 06:53

Its good to know that so many professions are "not living in the real world"
Doctors
Nurses
Pharmacists
Dentists
Office workers working from home and many others.

Yet teachers are being called special for working with no mitigations and getting ill.
Its strange how some people's minds work.

Watapalava · 23/03/2022 07:11

Actually I’m the rea world people are in let now way more at risk that teachers given many employers - apart from those listed now demand staff done in with covid

I worked with 4 staff with active covid last week as they’re expected to work

At least in schools and healthcare they’re currently sent home even if it’s late

Remmy123 · 23/03/2022 07:12

We do have to live with it, it's not going away

Teachers are allowed to wear masks in our schools if they wish.

Why dont others do the same??

Some comments on here are quite ridiculous reallly

Remmy123 · 23/03/2022 07:19

@Shinyandnew1 so what do you suggest ? Masks for 5 years olds?? Adults have had 3 jabs - thst is why majority of people now have mild symptoms.

Your sister is on the covid ward which is why she has to wear full PPE to protect herself from the high viral load. You cannot compare a teacher to someone on the covid ward!

ShowMeYourMethod · 23/03/2022 07:20

The messaging about covid now being a mild cold is just playing into the hands of the 'lazy teachers' believers.

Some people just don't want to see reality.

No teacher I know wants to be off school.
We really care about our students.
It's really, really hard having classes do work when you aren't there.
You cause burden for colleagues.
And right now exam prep is in full swing (or trying to finish the syllabus in some cases!!) and absolutely no one wants to miss this time face to face reaching.

But yeah obviously we are all using the government's willingness to put popularity before public Heath as a good old excuse for 10 days off watching daytime tv (after setting the required 6 classes of cover work each day obviously 🙄).

Piggywaspushed · 23/03/2022 11:04

NEWSFLASH - teachers are in the real world. We aren't some metauniverse.

Piggywaspushed · 23/03/2022 11:06

Actually I’m the rea world people are in let now way more at risk that teachers

Noble obediently keeps posting the stats that disprove this. Seems no one wants to read them. What you don't want to know you don't need to know, hey?

goldenlilliesdaffodillies · 23/03/2022 11:43

As a teacher off school with covid I feel incredibly guilty letting the children I teach down. I resent people who think teachers are slacking, using covid as an excuse. I don't know any teachers like this. I can't teach as am barking like a seal and feel awful. All teachers I know feel enormous guilt and responsibility when they have to miss classes. We don't test for fun, we do it because we have to. I worked throughout the pandemic face to face in school teaching vulnerable/key worker children. I don't know how headteachers managed to keep going during the pandemic. The pressure was immense, and still is.

I also work on a hospital ward. In the hospital we have to wear PPE, masks, socially distance, continually hand wash and clean everything. I have to wear scrubs and change immediately on entering and leaving the ward. If a patient has covid they are confined to their room to avoid the spread.

There is no comparison between the measures in place in a hospital and school. Last week in school assembly I sat with over 200 children, many coughing away clearly ill. Parents send clearly ill children to school. Children get sent home, only to return the next day. So many teacher's and children are off ill because of this selfish behaviour.

Remmy123 · 23/03/2022 11:48

No one thinks teachers are slacking? If your sick you stay off work, same if you get norovirus etc - there were illnesses and viruses etc before covid!!

goldenlilliesdaffodillies · 23/03/2022 12:02

I was referring to the comments about 'shirkers'. As I also work in a hospital I am aware of other illnesses- not just covid.

pawcontrol · 23/03/2022 12:42

What would be better is if people don't test. Just take days off if I'll and then return when fine. Any bugs spread. My kids have had various things recently but it's just life.

Remmy123 · 23/03/2022 12:45

I agree with the no testing. Take time off if too unwell to work.

UnvarnishedTruth · 23/03/2022 12:51

@Remmy123 "so what do you suggest ? Masks for 5 years olds?"

Yes. This is not exceptional, and has been happening in many other countries. For example:

nypost.com/2022/03/19/nycs-new-health-czar-says-young-kids-should-continue-wearing-masks/ -- "During his first press conference as commissioner, Dr. Ashwin Vasan cautioned on Friday that children under 5 years old should continue wearing masks because they’re not old enough to get vaccinated. He also cited high hospital rates for young children with COVID-19."

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/03/masks-for-school-students-mandatory-in-several-eu-countries notes (ages are typically 6+ because that's when primary school starts in these countries):

"""
"Unless the entire class has been vaccinated, Italy has also required all pupils aged six and over to wear a mask indoors at school since last year, while Greece extended the mandate to nursery school children – with masks to be changed three times a day.

Belgium made mask wearing mandatory for all children over the age of six, including at school, in early December, with the health minister, Frank Vandenbroucke, saying the key lay in “stopping the engine” of viral transmission among children.

Spain’s school children aged six and over have been wearing masks in class since September 2020. The rule has generally met little resistance, although the far-right Vox party has sought to make political capital out of opposing it, claiming continued mask wearing by children “could be counter-productive” and affect development.

“Almost all children over six have worn masks without rejecting it, they’ve normalised it,” said Mireia Orgilés, the author of a study on the psychological impact of the pandemic on young people in Italy and Spain.

“If we explain it to them well, they can understand it and follow the rules. A lot of the time they can accept it more easily than adults,” Orgilés told the specialist publication El Diario de la Educación.
"""

It is abundantly clear that wearing a mask is a cheap, safe, and effective way to significantly reduce the spread of Covid 19.

For example, www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fped.2021.580150/full which notes:

"""

  1. Masks can provide the same type of protection in the context of COVID-19 to a child as to an adult. The use of masks should be considered without hesitation under the commonly adopted conditions, especially when in large gatherings and when social distancing is difficult to maintain

[...]

  1. When considering the use of masks by children, distinctions should be made for at least four age groups:

[...]

c. 5–6 years old.

i. The approach suggested above for 3–4-year-olds is identical but crying, and other manifestations of fear are much less frequent. For the rational explanation of the use of masks, one can begin by providing instructions for adequate compliance, non-manipulation, etc.
"""

Just like adults, some children, especially those with SEN, may have difficulty with masks, which is also addressed in the report.

But the fundamental truth is that, for the vast majority of adults and children, they are perfectly capable of wearing a mask, and should wear a mask, both to protect themselves, and to protect other people.

Itisasecret · 23/03/2022 12:53

Up for my daily hour. Got to send in Oxygen levels today. I notice that the usual people saying it's fine, are able to spend the daytime posting on MN. That tells me, they don't actually know what they are talking about.

Problem is, it doesn't matter if you test or not. Teachers are exposed to Covid with no mitigation, lots of people = high viral load. Doesn't matter if myself and my colleague tested or not. A whole phase has been without a teacher for a week and continues to do so. The secondary children are missing alternative days off school now as too many teachers are now off sick for significant periods of time because, guess what? They are poorly. The not testing mantra won't stop that, it will make it worse.

Just missing a couple of the usual suspects who are on MN all day, saying they have never had Covid yet teachers just need to get on with it.

Then we have a full house. Generally I have found that MN posters aren't great critical thinkers. Posts on this thread prove that theory.

Remmy123 · 23/03/2022 12:55

It's ridiculous to want masks in school for that age group they would be pinging them off and not wearing them properly, what use wouid that do!

We have had x3 jabs and another on the way - what's the point in vaccines if you still have these measures in place. There is no need.

Remmy123 · 23/03/2022 12:57

Ps. We are ALL exposed to covid. Office workers / shop workers / train drivers / bus drivers / dentists etc ...

Assess your own risk and get on with it. Or not.

UnvarnishedTruth · 23/03/2022 13:09

@goldenlilliesdaffodillies "As a teacher off school with covid I feel incredibly guilty letting the children I teach down."

Don't. I realise that is easier said than done, but this is not your fault*.

It's the fault of the people who are insisting, in the face of all the evidence against, that things can go back to normal, and who are refusing to take even the most basic precautions.

The guilt belongs to them.

  • Unless you're unvaccinated without a good medical reason, don't wear a mask, etc. In which case this is your fault and you should feel bad.
UnvarnishedTruth · 23/03/2022 13:20

@Remmy123 "It's ridiculous to want masks in school for that age group they would be pinging them off and not wearing them properly"

Fortunately, kids have shown themselves to be a lot smarter about this, and that generally doesn't happen.

For example, see these recommendations from the American Academy of Paediatrics (www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/conditions/COVID-19/Pages/Cloth-Face-Coverings-for-Children-During-COVID-19.aspx). Or the Frontier study I quoted earlier.

Or closer to home, www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4506971-Recommendations-for-face-masks-for-kids?msgid=115914127#115914127 ("My DC [note: 7 and 4] were brilliant with the masks having not really worn them before. In fact I think they complained less than me!")

Please stop making stuff up to justify your own selfishness.

goldenlilliesdaffodillies · 23/03/2022 13:34

It's hard to 'assess your own risk' when parents send visibly unwell children to school and keep sending them back in. This (and lack of common sense by other people) is why it's spreading in schools.

BeenToldComputerSaysNo · 23/03/2022 13:48

I think there just needs to be a bit more honesty around impacts and benefits of measures. Of course kids could wear masks but of course there are downsides to that. Of course we can offer vaccines and do nothing else, but let's not pretend the result of that on hospitals, access to healthcare, education, disability, mental health, lifespan, impact on economy etc takes us back to 2019. Nobody knows the effect of each infection or why some fare better than others - e.g. why the 95 year old has some sniffles and a kid dies with it, why the once sporty teenager is now a spectator, the parent that doesn't have the energy to do much with their kids anymore, or the freelancer that can only muster a third of the hours they used to do because they were unlucky on their commute.

workisnotawolf · 23/03/2022 13:56

Schools always reflect community transmission which in many areas is currently high again. The kids bring the virus home too and many parents and grandparents are getting it too. Schools just are not separate from the community. We are all exposed to this virus.
There is a massive expectation though that teachers soldier on until the holidays and that has to stop. Supply budgets need increasing and online learning for exam years needs to be provided by the government so that realistically both teachers and pupils are less unfairly advantaged than they need to be. The NHS is getting the money, schools need the same. This is the future of our country. We are not going back to 2019 any time soon. People in all sectors will continue to need more time off work for the foreseeable future and that needs to be factored in.

balalake · 23/03/2022 17:40

School holidays for Easter cannot come too soon, as I think they will reduce transmission.

mumsneedwine · 23/03/2022 18:35

Not sure we are going to make Easter. 2 year groups closed a day until at least Monday, no on line teaching as those of us left are teaching exam years. It's a big mess. But hey, let's all pretend it's all good and it's all the fault of teachers going to swingers parties.

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