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Schools still a covid shitshow

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noblegiraffe · 19/03/2022 12:40

"Schools have been forced to send year groups home this week because of "rapidly rising" Covid rates among staff and an inability to find supply teachers, it has emerged.

The removal of the need for Covid testing among staff and pupils was making the situation worse, with some schools now experiencing their worst absence levels of the pandemic, a headteachers' leader told Tes.

Heads warn that some schools are having to send year groups home on a rota or combine class groups in an attempt to protect exam year groups from more disruption."

www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/covid-schools-absence-send-year-groups-home-cases-spike

Some will claim that getting rid of testing would improve the situation, but clearly a situation where lots of teachers are getting ill and requiring a few days off school to recover, regardless of isolation rules, is not 'getting back to normal'.

The teachers that I know who have had covid recently would have required a few days off school despite it being 'mild' even without isolation guidance, even though teachers are well-known for dosing on Lemsip and turning up to school regardless of illness because setting cover work is worse.

Still, the covid catch-up effort has basically fizzled out, and it's looking like zero effort will be made by the government to support children in recovering their education from the impact of absences and lack of teachers.

Exams start in a couple of months for kids who are having an extremely disruptive time. The government has fixed the exam grades so that they will come out with better results than the 2019 cohort, this will basically cover up the impact on educational standards. How this will play out down the line at uni/college/sixth form is anyone's guess.

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borntobequiet · 21/03/2022 20:18

the view being put forward here

A view worthy of no consideration whatsoever.

MrsHamlet · 21/03/2022 20:18

Two colleagues had a meeting with a coughing child on Friday. All three are off today with... you guessed it... covid.

CallmeHendricks · 21/03/2022 20:26

@MrsHamlet, How long before someone suggests that it was one of the teachers who gave it to the coughing child?

MrsHamlet · 21/03/2022 20:35

Clearly it was them. They must've been to Nando's ... or swinging.

Eyedropeyeflop · 21/03/2022 20:39

@Piggywaspushed

Lol, have you been reading sexy but psycho by any chance?

And you really don’t think people can work within education AND healthcare?

Really? Goodness what sort of school are you in?

Piggywaspushed · 21/03/2022 20:43

One without any healthcare staff.

Piggywaspushed · 21/03/2022 20:43

And no, I know hysterical is misogynist without the need for extra reading.

twinkletoesimnot · 21/03/2022 20:43

@Eyedropeyeflop
Course they can
Teaching is so easy (especially during the last 2 years when we've done f all,) so taking on another job would be easy!

twinkletoesimnot · 21/03/2022 20:45

@Piggywaspushed

Funny that- can't say I've noticed any in mine either!

Itisasecret · 21/03/2022 20:53

I’m off with Covid again, other classroom colleagues too. Some for the 3rd time. This time it seems to be making adults very poorly. Viral load in crowded conditions? Who knows; the local secondary is closing to every year group on a rota basis immediately. They’ve run out of staff and supply.

It’s all well and good saying get on with it but when people are exposed to a virus which seems to change all the time in it’s presentation, in such big viral loads, they will go sick.

The biggest issues this time appear to be weakness, exhaustion, dizziness and confusion. It seems to be having significant neurological and gastro impacts. That’s a worry.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 21/03/2022 20:55

@Itisasecret

Confusion… yes my most recent covid I only did a test because I spent a whole day at school getting everything totally muddled! I couldn’t think of how to spell simple words, I couldn’t remember the timings of lunch/break it was really weird

cantkeepawayforever · 21/03/2022 21:06

[quote Eyedropeyeflop]@Piggywaspushed

Lol, have you been reading sexy but psycho by any chance?

And you really don’t think people can work within education AND healthcare?

Really? Goodness what sort of school are you in?[/quote]
We have some healthcare staff who come in once a year for the 'flu nasal spray, and a different couple of people who come in to do height / weight checks for a single year group.

In both cases, they would have absolutely no idea what is actually happening in the school, as they set up in an isolated room, do their particular task, and leave.

I think this is a near-universal experience across state primaries, so I cannot identify a healthcare professional who would have an intimate knowledge of how a primary school setting is working day to day at the moment?

Sherrystrull · 21/03/2022 21:06

[quote Eyedropeyeflop]@Piggywaspushed

Lol, have you been reading sexy but psycho by any chance?

And you really don’t think people can work within education AND healthcare?

Really? Goodness what sort of school are you in?[/quote]
I don't get it either. The only time I see someone medically trained in my school is when they come in to do flu vaccinations once a year.

mrshoho · 21/03/2022 21:09

Could eyedrop be in the further education sector? Possibly involved in educating healthcare students? I do hope not.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 21/03/2022 21:22

We have a nurse coming in weekly, CAHMS workers, weekly counsellor… they are the only health care professionals coming in, all of which meet 1-1 or 1-1 in a well ventilated socially distanced room.

DanglingMod · 21/03/2022 21:54

You have a school nurse? Are you from 1980? Wink

MsAwesomeDragon · 22/03/2022 06:36

Actually, we have a school nurse too. School decided to employ her after a particularly stressful time where we had several children with quite severe physical needs and we didn't have anybody who knew what they were talking about in terms of risk assessments and healthcare plans. She deals with all healthcare plans, has drop in sessions for sexual health, anxiety (this has soared in recent years, not just the covid years), and she also teaches part of the health and social care in the sixth form. I genuinely think all state secondaries should have one, and state primaries should probably share one according to how big/small they are.

Of course, I'm not sure how relevent that is to the current discussion.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 22/03/2022 06:58

@DanglingMod

Huh? Yes, she comes twice a week, has back to back appointments, hands out C cards so kids can get free contraception, helps kids make phone calls to GPS, sees kids with eating disorders, sleep issues, etc. I think it’s great; many of the parents in my school don’t always take their kids to see medical staff.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 22/03/2022 06:59

@MsAwesomeDragon

Someone said they were in schools and healthcare and someone asked how that’s possible, so I gave an example

MrsHamlet · 22/03/2022 07:00

We have a school nurse too. She does all sex ed plus the stuff mentioned above. She's very part time.
We also have a lot of students with medical needs.

I don't think she would be able to comment on what's happening in classrooms though. She's mostly in her office with one person if she's in, and would never be asked to cover anything.

DanglingMod · 22/03/2022 07:15

Wow, that's great. Haven't heard of anywhere near here having a school nurse for decades. But we are one of the most underfunded counties for education in the country.

Piggywaspushed · 22/03/2022 07:16

I didn't ask how it was possible. Pretty sure the PP is not a school nurse. What I was wondering was how you could 'technically' work in both education and healthcare. The word technically is doing much heavy lifting.

We have a local team of school nurses - only seen when we have immunisations.

Haven't spoken to many healthcare staff but most on here/ other social media still seem to think Covid is a shitshow . In 'real life' people are often restrained when talking to people they only know passingly or professionally. In forums such as MN we are probably more open.

MrsHamlet · 22/03/2022 07:18

It's a hangover from pre-covid times. That excellent full time nurse was requisitioned by the NHS just over two years ago, so we were nurseless for a while.
The budget is biting though and it's a luxury to have a nurse. She doesn't do the routine first aid because she's in so little.

Watapalava · 22/03/2022 07:23

All this will reduce next week as schools get the new guidance which means they wont advise isolation with covid. Many isolations are not because staff are unwell and the gov have confirmed that the advice to isolate ends on 31st march - as such new guidance to school will be issued. Teacher and kids wont be expected to stay off anymore. People shouldn't be testing now anyway.

MrsHamlet · 22/03/2022 07:24

Many isolations are not because staff are unwell
And your evidence for that is?