How do you feel about testing/isolation ending?

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If it happens ^

I was speaking to a relative earlier and I was saying how glad I will be when and if all the isolation and testing rules end. It's not that I don't take covid seriously, because we really have. I spent nearly 2 years being so anxious about getting to catching it and being fine!! I know not everyone gets away with it's so mildly but my experience of covid wasn't too bad at all!

Anyway, both dc have sen. Isolation periods have been hard (Dd has had covid twice) m, holding down to test them has been hard, waiting for test results etc. I can't bloody wait to feel like I don't have to anymore. We all had covid in December. The isolation period was hell, far worse than the actual illness. My dc were climbing the walls! Dc had barely any symptoms really and found the isolation hard.

Of course if dc were ill I'd keep them off until better as I would have before covid. I've always kept my kids away from people when germy.

My relative is moaning about all the rules ending and how it will spread it! Which is ironic as they were very poorly last month with covid symptoms and didn't test or isolate but that's another story 😅

I just feel people should use their common sense. If you feel ill, stay home. If you have to go out when ill don't go too close to people, wash your hands and practise good respiratory hygiene!

It's a good thing right? Surely I'm not the only one waiting ever so patiently for any announcement over it 😅

Lots of positive replies on this thread but also some with concerns. It’s important to keep a balance or the thread will just become a group bitching session.

poverty kills people

poor mental health kills people

*None of what you describe kills people. Covid does.

And you think I'm selfish?*

Oh dear! We really are coming from a privileged/ignorant POV if you think poverty and mental health issues caused my repeated unnecessary isolations can't kill! I despair, I really do

@GirlInACountrySong

poverty kills people

poor mental health kills people

Agree. And long-term health problems caused by Covid are likely to bring with them both poverty and huge strain on people's mental health. That's one of the reasons I think we should be wary of the Government's eagerness to abandon measures which help to reduce the spread of Covid.

@GirlInACountrySong

poverty kills people

poor mental health kills people

And the CEV can also be poor and have poor mental health - they are actually more likely to by the nature of their poor physical health.

It isn't asking too much for people to wear masks in crowded indoor places and to isolate when they are actually infectious with Covid.

DS1 has Long Covid - there is this to remember as well.

No one is suggesting another lockdown but, frankly, the WHO know a lot better than random posters on mumsnet or politicians who don't understand the science. We should listen to people who know what they are talking about. And protect the most vulnerable. It's the civilised thing to do.

It isn't asking too much for people to wear masks in crowded indoor places and to isolate when they are actually infectious with Covid.

We haven’t had to wear masks for a while now so not sure why people are still going on about them. That ship has sailed.

And yes it is too much to ask people to isolate when they’re not unwell. If people are actually ill then yes stay at home and get better, like every other illness, but if people have very mild symptoms or are asymptomatic then no way should they have to stay at home anymore. It’s now up to each individual to protect themselves if they want to, rather than the burden on the whole population and this is how it should be.

@LilyPond2 the VAST majority of people won't get long term health problems though. I had Covid last year. For me, it was a cold. I'm not concerned about catching it again. The concern about losing wages if I had to isolate again is higher. Many people will feel the same.

But we are not talking about wearing masks when positive with covid. You were told that repeated isolation without proper pay, ie the current setup that you want continued, actually is too much for some people. You then claimed that this (ie poverty and isolation) doesn't kill people, which is obviously ridiculous hence you're now backtracking.

Also, most vulnerable and CEV are not interchangeable. There are people who aren't vulnerable to covid but are vulnerable to the impact of restrictions and we are not going to brush them under the carpet.

@luckylavender

Flu can be asymptomatic but it is not really known how much asymptomatic people can spread the flu virus. That's the difference.

Maybe we should lockdown until we do know for sure then. To do otherwise would be foolhardy and selfish.

@AndAsIfByMagic yes, it IS too much to ask people to isolate if they're not getting paid. And it's not your place to decide that it's not.

That was too andasifbymagic, btw

I’m being facetious again. But people are tying themselves in knots trying to justify continuing measures that no longer make sense when you are looking at the original reason for having them.

And I have a family member with long term fragile health due to a virus contracted as a teenager. I have lost a loved one to covid. I am an HCP, my husband is a teacher. I’m fully immersed in the huge problems caused by both covid itself and restrictions

It isn't asking too much for people to wear masks in crowded indoor places and to isolate when they are actually infectious with Covid.

Well we haven’t seen the affect of removing the need to isolate yet, perhaps in a month or so if it happens on Thursday which looks highly likely. Masks haven’t been a legal requirement for 3.5 weeks and all the figures are falling on a daily basis.

It isn't asking too much for people to wear masks in crowded indoor places and to isolate when they are actually infectious with Covid.

You can do this personally if you feel strongly. People will decide too which might not fit with what you want.

It isn't asking too much for people to wear masks in crowded indoor places and to isolate when they are actually infectious with Covid.

How can you say this? Do you know how missing 10 days of work or education affects people financially and mentally?!

And masks haven't been worn for weeks and cases have continued to fall...!

And yes it is too much to ask people to isolate when they’re not unwell. If people are actually ill then yes stay at home and get better, like every other illness, but if people have very mild symptoms or are asymptomatic then no way should they have to stay at home anymore. It’s now up to each individual to protect themselves if they want to, rather than the burden on the whole population and this is how it should be.

The way for individual people to be protected is for the infected to stay away from them and also to wear masks in crowded places if you no longer test. It's still very much the thing in this area in shops, buses etc. By now everyone should know that you wear a mask to protect others not to protect yourself.

You have to trust others to protect you or never leave the house or is that what you think should happen?

Do the decent thing.

Given how the cost of living is about to skyrocket, asking anyone to isolate for 10 days when they wont get paid and are well enough to work, is the most selfish thing you can suggest.

If you cant see why poverty and mental health is a very real killer, then you are frankly the selfish one living on a pedestal of privilege.

@AndAsIfByMagic

And yes it is too much to ask people to isolate when they’re not unwell. If people are actually ill then yes stay at home and get better, like every other illness, but if people have very mild symptoms or are asymptomatic then no way should they have to stay at home anymore. It’s now up to each individual to protect themselves if they want to, rather than the burden on the whole population and this is how it should be.

The way for individual people to be protected is for the infected to stay away from them and also to wear masks in crowded places if you no longer test. It's still very much the thing in this area in shops, buses etc. By now everyone should know that you wear a mask to protect others not to protect yourself.

You have to trust others to protect you or never leave the house or is that what you think should happen?

Do the decent thing.

Such a privileged attitude. Guarantee you are someone who has no idea what it's like to be living hand to mouth.

I think it's stupid to end isolation.

And I think it's for Boris's mates, so that he avoids being fired.

@Curiousmouse

And I think it's for Boris's mates, so that he avoids being fired.

Yes. If this was a careful and considered decision - based on all available scientific and economic advice and balancing the pros and cons in a detailed and rational way, by someone who had shown decency, integrity and courage to do the right thing throughout the pandemic - then I would have much more confidence in it as a way forward.

As it is a political knee-jerk response to shore up an unprincipled idiot's career - less so.

We’ve been here before with posts re what about the science

In July and recently with omicron

The predicted or modelled outcome didn’t happen

Well the stats are on Johnson’s side right now. I’m no fan of BJ but I want to live my life!

@AndAsIfByMagic

And yes it is too much to ask people to isolate when they’re not unwell. If people are actually ill then yes stay at home and get better, like every other illness, but if people have very mild symptoms or are asymptomatic then no way should they have to stay at home anymore. It’s now up to each individual to protect themselves if they want to, rather than the burden on the whole population and this is how it should be.

The way for individual people to be protected is for the infected to stay away from them and also to wear masks in crowded places if you no longer test. It's still very much the thing in this area in shops, buses etc. By now everyone should know that you wear a mask to protect others not to protect yourself.

You have to trust others to protect you or never leave the house or is that what you think should happen?

Do the decent thing.

The way for individual people to be protected is to stay away from crowded areas or wear protective masks if they must go inside. Not relying on others who are free to make their own choices legally from next week.

There are approximately 500,000 critically vulnerable (those who are eligible for 4 jab doses), and around 66,500,000 people who aren’t. Of course people shouldn’t have to wear masks or isolate if only mildly ill from now on. Absolutely ridiculous that you think the lives of over 66 million people should continue to be disrupted, people should lose pay and go into hardship and everything else now that so many of the population are protected and hospitals are coping. Such a selfish and privileged attitude to have.