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Government messaging

178 replies

OliveTree75 · 12/02/2022 14:41

Hello,
Been thinking recently how in years to come the Covid pandemic will most likely be studied in education all over the world.
What do you think the views on the government messaging will be in the future?
Looking back now, I find some of them hard to look at. We have been subjected to so much fear and whilst I agree we had to take action, I can’t help but wonder if some of these posters were a step too far.

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Flaxmeadow · 14/02/2022 01:01

Bloody hell greentea and xbitch, calm down.
I just thought it was arty and made me think. It's a picture of big red spikey shiney blobs contrasted against grey urban buildings

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user1477391263 · 14/02/2022 01:04

It was stupid, insensitive and crap. It sent out dangerous messages about what does and does not spread a disease that we were all worried about at the time. Stop defending it.

Flaxmeadow · 14/02/2022 01:09

user1477391263

You think people took it literally? That there was actual big shiny covid balls bouncing in the street?
It's was a meme ffs

Abraxan · 14/02/2022 01:48

@OliveTree75

I can’t believe some people never saw these posters! They were everywhere - tv adverts, bus stops, radio…even tied to railings all over my town!
I can honestly say that I never saw them.

But I was working full time from home throughout the two main lockdowns and all walks were taken locally, nowhere near a town centre or similar,

When I started to go out more it was still fairly restricted where we live so we stayed pretty local much of the time. None were on my drive to and from work, and near where we live.

I've only ever seen them online on posts like this or twitter.

BestKnitterInScotland · 14/02/2022 08:29

They had that yellow and black "PEOPLE WILL DIE" one on the digital advertising board as I walked into the supermarket for weeks.

MarshaBradyo · 14/02/2022 08:43

@user1477391263

It was stupid, insensitive and crap. It sent out dangerous messages about what does and does not spread a disease that we were all worried about at the time. Stop defending it.
Its odd that people defend this stuff
rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 14/02/2022 08:56

Are the people defending it? Or just saying it's justified because of the time of unknown and uncertainty? They needed people to take things seriously. Clearly there were many who didn't, looking back anti lock down anti mask protests etc.
'People will die' was true, right? People did die. So many of them. How many more died if people didn't take things seriously back then?

greenteafiend · 14/02/2022 09:02

Are the people defending it? Or just saying it's justified because of the time of unknown and uncertainty? They needed people to take things seriously.

The silly meme in question was not public health messaging--it was an image created by an internet random.
As discussed above, the main effect of such messages, if it had any impact, would have been to further terrify the people who were terrified anyway, and to send out ill advised ideas about the air outdoors being dangerous, when what we actually needed was to encourage people to wrap up warm, shift activities into outdoor settings whenever possible, and let as much outdoor air IN as possible by ventilating indoor spaces well.

The main way COVID was spreading at this time-and afterwards too, if I remember rightlywas a) within households, b) in poorly ventilated workplaces.

Buzzinwithbez · 14/02/2022 09:10

The gov't knew how this was spread.
They knew who was most at risk.
They knew that there were lifestyle changes that people could make to mitigate risk.

That's the sort of public information they should have been sharing.

I've attached a childhood obesity chart. All the 'stay home' policies contributed to this completely unnecessarily.

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Buzzinwithbez · 14/02/2022 09:13

As discussed above, the main effect of such messages, if it had any impact, would have been to further terrify the people who were terrified anyway, and to send out ill advised ideas about the air outdoors being dangerous, when what we actually needed was to encourage people to wrap up warm, shift activities into outdoor settings whenever possible, and let as much outdoor air IN as possible by ventilating indoor spaces well

Completely agree. Where was the nudge unit when these stupid memes were being released?

Why did they contribute to it by releasing official posters that suggested a strong risk of contracting covid outside.

greenteafiend · 14/02/2022 10:02

COVID policy should have been about LOCK OUT, not LOCK DOWN.

Lock people OUT of the riskiest spaces for a bit, by canceling schools, closing restaurants and bars, banning mass events and clubs and getting people to WFH and stagger commutes for a while--sure, these things were probably essential.

Get people to wrap up warm, get the thermos bottles out and get outside/get people to understand that outside air is basically safe. You can exercise and take the kids out to play as much as you wantbut do it outside. Either stick to yourselves as a family OR bubble up with one other household. This could have been done right the way through. It would have helped avoid some of these disastrous impacts on mental and physical health.

And reduce transmission within households and in workplaces by pushing ventilation as hard as possible, and by offering voluntary hotel quarantine to people, together with clear messages about how this can help keep more vulnerable family members safe, especially if you live in a flat or small house and have a shared toilet. Cases of infectious disease caught at home are the worst, because people get exposed to such heavy doses of virus if they are locked in with infected family members and breathing in their fumes all day long (think of chickenpox--the second sibling always gets it worse).

Zoe data showed clearly that most people were getting ill from household contacts--yet no effort seemed to be being put into actually stopping this. Everyone was too busy arguing about whether you were "allowed" to cycle as your daily exercise, or shaming old people for sitting down on a fucking park bench in the fresh air while taking a walk, or creating imaginary scenarios about people spreading the virus by touching gate posts or kids touching the sand in a sand pit!

rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 14/02/2022 10:38

most people were getting ill from household contacts

But the virus got into the household from somewhere else in the first place? Wasn't that the aim of lockdown?

riveted1 · 14/02/2022 10:46

Zoe data showed clearly that most people were getting ill from household contacts--yet no effort seemed to be being put into actually stopping this.

What do you mean @greenteafiend?

Guidance was to isolate away from your household if you tested positive - what else would do you think could be done?

We didn't have the capacity (or the appetite) to isolate people away from their households, so it's literally the only resonable solution. Advising people to leave households when they had an affected member also isn't feasible, given the high likelihood that they'd already be infected and likely just continue the onward chain.

Monsterathai · 14/02/2022 12:04

@greenteafiend

COVID policy should have been about LOCK OUT, not LOCK DOWN.

Lock people OUT of the riskiest spaces for a bit, by canceling schools, closing restaurants and bars, banning mass events and clubs and getting people to WFH and stagger commutes for a while--sure, these things were probably essential.

Get people to wrap up warm, get the thermos bottles out and get outside/get people to understand that outside air is basically safe. You can exercise and take the kids out to play as much as you wantbut do it outside. Either stick to yourselves as a family OR bubble up with one other household. This could have been done right the way through. It would have helped avoid some of these disastrous impacts on mental and physical health.

And reduce transmission within households and in workplaces by pushing ventilation as hard as possible, and by offering voluntary hotel quarantine to people, together with clear messages about how this can help keep more vulnerable family members safe, especially if you live in a flat or small house and have a shared toilet. Cases of infectious disease caught at home are the worst, because people get exposed to such heavy doses of virus if they are locked in with infected family members and breathing in their fumes all day long (think of chickenpox--the second sibling always gets it worse).

Zoe data showed clearly that most people were getting ill from household contacts--yet no effort seemed to be being put into actually stopping this. Everyone was too busy arguing about whether you were "allowed" to cycle as your daily exercise, or shaming old people for sitting down on a fucking park bench in the fresh air while taking a walk, or creating imaginary scenarios about people spreading the virus by touching gate posts or kids touching the sand in a sand pit!

Wtf is all the crossing out about?!
HesterShaw1 · 14/02/2022 12:21

@FrankieBoyleSezLoveOneAnother

180k dead and you're worried about some public health ads? Save it for the AD threads, OP, the libertarian snowflakes on there lap this stuff up.
"libertarian snowflakes"?

If you're going to chuck baseless insults around, do try and use one that makes sense

You've just put two words together that you think sound insulting.

HesterShaw1 · 14/02/2022 12:29

@Flaxmeadow

So let's ban upsetting signs and reminders of health and anti crime campaigns. Cigarette packets, doctors waiting rooms, dentist pictures of rotting teeth, crime warning posters (the grooming gangs ones anyone?), hazard and zig zag danger signs near pylons are desteoying lives, terrorist warnings on public transport, drink drive ads. Everything. Any traumatising image to be removed and replaced with images of rainbows, chocolate rivers, unicorns, sparkly glitter and fluffy kittens.

Oh and any reminder at all of horrid mean covid. No more wearing masks, images of evil needles, images of doctors and nurses and hospitals, arrows in the floor in shops and directional signs. Stop and 'this way' signs will cause huge psychological problems in the future.

We need to get back to normal now, because this annoying covid thing is getting rediculus. Or something like that

@Flaxmeadow you just sound angry and petulant now that people are no longer terrified.
MangyInseam · 14/02/2022 13:36

@greenteafiend

I'm just going to repeat a point I've made a few times during this pandemic: people were encouraged to associated the outdoors with "fear," while almost no effort was being made to stop within-household transmission, even though that's where most of the infections were actually taking place.

So, pretty useless for actually stopping transmission, but very useful for encouraging the more nervous people to become frightened of going outside and getting stuck in a trapped, sedentary and housebound way of life.

We'll be seeing the long-term fallout of this for a long time.

I think you can make a good argument that reducing transmission within a household is difficult, and almost impossible for some. So possibly not so worthwhile.

But the scaring people to be outdoors was very foolish. One of the effects has been people, especially children, spending a lot more time in front of screens, and an increase in obesity including among children. Totally counterproductive in fighting covid. Not to mention just plain old access to sun and some socializing both of which affect disease resistance.

But the worst part of that has been the adoption of this idea that if someone catches a virus from you, it is something you should blame yourself for and others you blame you too. It's insidious and likely to have implications beyond covid.

VikingOnTheFridge · 14/02/2022 14:04

Yes, that's become quite pervasive. There's a thread at the moment from someone who is dealing with guilt and worry at having caught and possibly transmitted the virus. It's a worrying development, and unlikely to be something we can just switch off once it's no longer of use to the government.

Xenia · 14/02/2022 14:06

Libertarian snowflakes is a good one not normally used. I tihkn that's because the young have loved the curbs on freedom in practice and largely supported the big state measures because they tend to be left wing so presumably Lenin and big state is their hero and snowflakes is usually used against the young so libertarian snowflakes is an unlikely phrase. Similarly boomers my age tended to accept the covid measures too. In fact 91% of the UK had the vaccine so people like I am who have not had it are in a very rare category.

MarshaBradyo · 14/02/2022 14:10

I tihkn that's because the young have loved the curbs on freedom in practice

Really?

Why would they, they were at lowest risk and ime did it but would have much preferred not to.

I have really felt for young people a lot during this

Older people benefitted more and felt higher risk. Some mid age felt higher risk too due to jobs. I’d say it’s these groups who welcomed restrictions rather than young.

VikingOnTheFridge · 14/02/2022 14:15

The young have been the group most likely by far to be fined for breach of covid regulations, or to have reported being dispersed by police from banned gatherings. And I can't think of any polling recently that's shown anything other than support for restrictions increasing with age.

MarshaBradyo · 14/02/2022 14:16

@VikingOnTheFridge

The young have been the group most likely by far to be fined for breach of covid regulations, or to have reported being dispersed by police from banned gatherings. And I can't think of any polling recently that's shown anything other than support for restrictions increasing with age.
I agree

I think it’s a bit of imagination there

MangyInseam · 14/02/2022 14:48

Actually I think there is something to the young being more inclined to be authoritarian.

It's certainly not all and I think maybe it is more the older zeds and millenials (who aren't all that young in some cases, pushing 40) and you might find younger teens are a different story.

But polling for some time, not around covid but around politics, has shown that this group is much more positive towards authoritarianism, and much less positive towards liberal democratic values.

I think that's probably dovetailed in a real way with some of the covid policy issues.

MarshaBradyo · 14/02/2022 15:21

@MangyInseam

Actually I think there is something to the young being more inclined to be authoritarian.

It's certainly not all and I think maybe it is more the older zeds and millenials (who aren't all that young in some cases, pushing 40) and you might find younger teens are a different story.

But polling for some time, not around covid but around politics, has shown that this group is much more positive towards authoritarianism, and much less positive towards liberal democratic values.

I think that's probably dovetailed in a real way with some of the covid policy issues.

Tbh I more meant under 25 rather than 30 odd, but is there info on these two being the same?

On here I’d say the most pro restrictions were certain professions, vulnerable and due to age. Not all but general trend

VikingOnTheFridge · 14/02/2022 15:28

@MangyInseam

Actually I think there is something to the young being more inclined to be authoritarian.

It's certainly not all and I think maybe it is more the older zeds and millenials (who aren't all that young in some cases, pushing 40) and you might find younger teens are a different story.

But polling for some time, not around covid but around politics, has shown that this group is much more positive towards authoritarianism, and much less positive towards liberal democratic values.

I think that's probably dovetailed in a real way with some of the covid policy issues.

The evidence that younger people have loved the curbs on freedom, as claimed upthread, is clearly not there though. If they do have a greater tendency towards authoritarianism than older people on the whole, this is evidently not showing up in attitudes to covid restrictions.