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All Covid rules to be scrapped at end of the month!

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Cheekypeach · 09/02/2022 13:17

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greenteafiend · 13/02/2022 12:45

www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/now-indy-sage-wants-us-to-do-more-to-prevent-flu/ar-AASS91U?li=BBoPJKU
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Indie Sage, not actual sage... and they actually said "'things we can do to prevent the transmission of Covid which are nothing like a lockdown'." I have no idea what, specifically, they are thinking of, but given iSage's form over the past two years, I don't want to do whatever "things" they are proposing.

Also what about old people who haven’t had 4th jab ? The nurse I spoke to at 111 said the booster efficacy drastically drops after 8 weeks so when people are walking around with the virus soon they will be infecting older people so much surely

And if they get a fifth jab and a sixth jab and any number of jabs, there will be periods where they are more than eight weeks away from their last jab. What's the off-ramp here, seriously?

but I think it is no big deal to keep masks and distancing in place for a few more weeks until vulnerable 5 to 11 yr olds have been fully jabbed.
I understand it's worrying for parents, but a) the masks and "distancing" don't appear to be actually working or doing anything against omicron, b) can you explain clearly why it's OK for the vulnerable under 5s to remain unjabbed, or how we are supposed to feel confident that waiting a few more weeks is not going to lead to more calls to wait until a jab is approved for the under 5s.... and then one more for the under 6month olds.... and by then a call for yet another booster for the old folks...and then a demand that we develop yet another drug therapy because the ones we've got might not work for everyone... and....

BigAliceTrain · 13/02/2022 12:48

At the moment private venues can require a Covid pass to show vaccination status before they allow entry or participation. Is there any news if that is changing too?

Millicent2022 · 13/02/2022 13:04

@greenteafiend

www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/now-indy-sage-wants-us-to-do-more-to-prevent-flu/ar-AASS91U?li=BBoPJKU " Indie Sage, not actual sage... and they actually said "'things we can do to prevent the transmission of Covid which are nothing like a lockdown'." I have no idea what, specifically, they are thinking of, but given iSage's form over the past two years, I don't want to do whatever "things" they are proposing.

Also what about old people who haven’t had 4th jab ? The nurse I spoke to at 111 said the booster efficacy drastically drops after 8 weeks so when people are walking around with the virus soon they will be infecting older people so much surely

And if they get a fifth jab and a sixth jab and any number of jabs, there will be periods where they are more than eight weeks away from their last jab. What's the off-ramp here, seriously?

but I think it is no big deal to keep masks and distancing in place for a few more weeks until vulnerable 5 to 11 yr olds have been fully jabbed.
I understand it's worrying for parents, but a) the masks and "distancing" don't appear to be actually working or doing anything against omicron, b) can you explain clearly why it's OK for the vulnerable under 5s to remain unjabbed, or how we are supposed to feel confident that waiting a few more weeks is not going to lead to more calls to wait until a jab is approved for the under 5s.... and then one more for the under 6month olds.... and by then a call for yet another booster for the old folks...and then a demand that we develop yet another drug therapy because the ones we've got might not work for everyone... and....

Really don’t know what the answer is !
LyricalBlowToTheJaw · 13/02/2022 13:34

I certainly don't trust Indy Sage.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/02/2022 13:48

Ah, thanks for the link greenteafiend - I didn't know it was Indie Sage who started on about flu, so won't be paying much attention to their nonsense

mintfuschia · 13/02/2022 14:06

@TheKeatingFive

The precautions were to help everybody - we'd all have been affected in one way or another if healthcare and other vital services had broken down and stopped working, even people not at much risk from covid itself.

We wouldn't have been affected to the same degree though. Some people are much more reliant on healthcare provision than others. Plenty of people out there haven't darkened the door of a hospital for years. There would be strong correlation between those vulnerable to covid and those heavily dependent on healthcare and vice versa.

And yes of course no one can rule out emergency provision, but for some that would be a less concerning risk than others.

Not entirely. You don't have to be the person not getting treatment yourself, to suffer from being in a world where that's happening, where healthcare has become overwhelmed with patients from a new disease. I'll most likely never be pregnant again. This doesn't make me think it's no big deal if maternity services aren't protected or that that's not something that should carry weight when making decisions. Don't you think a child would find it a bit traumatic if their mum was to die unnecessarily in childbirth in the 21st century, because people who never need hospital appointments and who don't have any medical conditions thought protecting healthcare was a luxury rather than a basic essential? Or if their sixty year old grandad died from covid when a few days of oxygen could have saved them?
TheKeatingFive · 13/02/2022 14:19

Not entirely. You don't have to be the person not getting treatment yourself, to suffer from being in a world where that's happening, where healthcare has become overwhelmed with patients from a new disease

Well of course it's better for society if everything is functioning well, no one would argue with that.

But being under lockdown / severe restrictions wasn't well-functioning society either. People were isolated from their loved ones, denied education/experiences, businesses went under, people lost homes and savings, abuse went unchecked, mental health was trashed.

The problem with all of this is that (in a general sense) the people who had least to lose from covid were the most affected by restrictions and the reverse is also true.

Yes it took a collective effort for the good of all, but the sacrifice (and the payoff) was unbalanced.

I understand that it's hard for those who needed the sacrifice most and for whom a restricted life was easiest to bear to acknowledge this. It'll all get a lot more air time in the months and years to follow however.

PAFMO · 13/02/2022 14:49

@DogFacedWoman

Italy have some of the most stringent mask rules there is in Europe, if not the world, yet they are recently having a huge number of cases and have a higher death rate per capita than we do.
Obviously, (death rate) seeing as it arrived in Italy first and they didn't know what the fuck had hit them. People in Italy were already dying in hospital corridors when Johnson was visiting people and shaking hands with them all while singing Happy Birthday, or whatever twattery he claimed was all you needed to do. Italy's excess deaths are still mainly to be found dating from the first 3-4 months of Covid if you look at their national annual statistics.
MarshaBradyo · 13/02/2022 14:52

Death rate currently is lower in U.K. despite fewer restrictions or masks

All Covid rules to be scrapped at end of the month!
MrsPuddle · 13/02/2022 15:16

29, 516 people died of flu And pneumonia in 2018. (ONS.uk) that is 568 a week.

Less than Covid, but pretty substantial don’t you think?

Where were the masks and the lockdowns? Where was the drama and calls of selfishness for spreading germs?

I really wonder if these lockdown/mask wearing evangelists really understand there is, and always has been, more than one type of germ in the world?
Covid isn’t even in the top 10 causes of death in UK, and yet it soaks up billions of tax payers money.

Time to move on.....

Covidworries · 13/02/2022 15:42

@mrspuddle

Yes that figure was flu with no restrictions, covid deaths are higher despite restrictions. Can you imaginenhow high they would have gone if we had done nothing in march 2020

PAFMO · 13/02/2022 15:59

@MarshaBradyo

Death rate currently is lower in U.K. despite fewer restrictions or masks
As everyone knows, there has never been any point in looking at a meaningless "death rate". Especially when each country reaches its peak at different times.
MarshaBradyo · 13/02/2022 16:04

Ha at that all of a sudden is meaningless 😂

Funny.

MarshaBradyo · 13/02/2022 16:09

Good news re excess death rate too

I know how keen people are to keep restrictions in their lives but you can do it without others needing to.

All Covid rules to be scrapped at end of the month!
MrsPuddle · 13/02/2022 16:45

[quote Covidworries]@mrspuddle

Yes that figure was flu with no restrictions, covid deaths are higher despite restrictions. Can you imaginenhow high they would have gone if we had done nothing in march 2020[/quote]
Yes, but looking at now It is the correct comparison, when we are vaccinated, just like with flu, and it has had a chance to sweep through the populace with natural immunity built up.

From this point on, is what we should look at, post pandemic. No masks no lockdowns, just getting on.

2X4B523P · 13/02/2022 16:45

We are now 18 days without the mask mandate and all looking fine. On the 26th January the 7 day average for cases was 92,151. Today that figure is 57,836. Also the average deaths were at 262 and now stands at 179. I’m sure there’s some though that would say that we are in a worse situation some how.

Inastatus · 13/02/2022 16:48

Thanks for those graphs @MarshaBradyo - good news indeed.

MarshaBradyo · 13/02/2022 16:55

No problem Inastatus Smile we could do a good news revival soon I reckon ;

I do find the kick back against positive news odd though, why is it important we keep the miserable situation going

2X I always laugh a bit when I see your name for the funniest sit down post and wonder if that expert pandemic modelling poster is still waiting for societal collapse to happen before coming back to U.K. ;

feelsobadfeltsogood · 13/02/2022 17:01

I work in a hospital so I think it'll be preety much the same for us

2X4B523P · 13/02/2022 17:20

@MarshaBradyo

After sitting the fuck down they probably couldn’t be bothered to get back up again.

treeflowercat · 13/02/2022 17:38

@PAFMO

Obviously, (death rate) seeing as it arrived in Italy first and they didn't know what the fuck had hit them. People in Italy were already dying in hospital corridors when Johnson was visiting people and shaking hands with them all while singing Happy Birthday, or whatever twattery he claimed was all you needed to do. Italy's excess deaths are still mainly to be found dating from the first 3-4 months of Covid if you look at their national annual statistics.

The reference was to Italy's current death rate not their total deaths. Italy's Covid deaths per million were double that of the U.K. over the last week, and what happened back in March 2020 is irrelevant.

Inastatus · 13/02/2022 17:51

@MarshaBradyo - definitely need to resurrect the good news thread!

pawpaws2022 · 13/02/2022 21:18

@Millicent2022 being "old" doesn't equal 4th vaccine though
I'm mid thirties and had a 4th vaccine, plenty of older people aren't immunocompromised

GirlInACountrySong · 14/02/2022 01:34

4th vaccine? When will it end.

Abraxan · 14/02/2022 02:08

@Whattochoosenow

So those who are CEV or have a family member who is, what did you do prior to covid, in flu season or say in the face of norovirus infection or a heavy chesty cold? Now that Covid has weakened itself to that of a heavy cold for most, isn’t it time to put similar precautions in place? I understand it must be a worrying time, but is it realistic for the whole nation to continue with restrictions? If we don’t have a good working economy there won’t be enough tax revenue to fund the NHS. Sadly there is no magic money tree. What would your solution be?
Flu is generally less transmissible most years. I have a flu vaccine annually. I've only knowingly had flu once in my life, before I was classed as immunosuppressed. I know it can be asymptomatic so may have had it since but clearly not enough to be affected by it.

I've had plenty of colds. I teach little ones so come into contact with them lots, They may make me feel poorly for 3 or 4 days but generally not too bad. I might need a day or two off if it's a particular bad cold.

I've had pneumonia once, before I was diagnosed though would have been in early stages of developing my health condition. But not talking the medication. I was in hospital, had about 8 weeks off work and took nearly a year to be fully better. I now have the pneumonia vaccine.

Sickness bugs don't really affect me any worse than anyone else tbh, though obviously I try to avoid them. I wouldn't knowingly visit someone who had a tummy bug, though invariably I'm in contact via school. I do practise good hand hygiene though (always have pre covid) and I've always kept my spaces in school fairly clean too.

I've had covid twice now.

October 2020, pre vaccines. Was in hospital. Developed a complication which left me with a life long issue with blood pressure, which required two extra tablets daily for life. Never had any issues before covid with my blood pressure, but it affected me in that way so bad I had to be rushed there with a very real risk of imminent heart attack or stroke. Was off work for 7 weeks, under the long covid clinic still, some 16 months later.

Caught covid again last month. Now triple jabbed, I know when I caught it I did have some antibodies, as was tested at the time. Managed to get antiviral infusion on day 5. Felt dreadful for a week then the antivirals kicked in. Had 10 days off work then returned. It's been really hard though - I'm breathless and tired all the time, I get aches and pains in my chest, my heart races at times. On top of this I've not been able to take my arthritis medication for a month due to covid so I also have an arthritis flare up which makes the fatigue and pains worse. I was certainly less I'll this time round, either due to vaccines or antivirals, or a combination of both, but even so I'm still nowhere near right.