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More protections needed in schools?

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RocketFire7 · 07/02/2022 12:53

Zubaida Haque from independent sage is now reporting that covid is sending more DC are being admitted to hospital than ever before. She believes this is due to the lack of protections and mitigations in schools.

twitter.com/zubhaque/status/1489599939353186311?s=21

Do we now need to implement better protections in schools to keep DC, staff, parents and communities safe? There is also of course the risk of long covid.

Should we be looking to make N95 masks compulsory from age 5 (as many US states have done), air filtration units, rota systems so that social distancing can be maintained and sending home whole year groups when there is a positive test?

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ShallWeTalkAboutBruno · 07/02/2022 17:59

Quite. You'd think at least some of the outspoken mnetters might use this as a chance to campaign for a better education system - smaller class sizes, better funding, easy to access mental health councillors, cleaner schools, better outdoor facilities, less unnecessary and pointless testing of primary kids etc.etc. - but no all they want is everything to stay as shit as ever with pupil absence and sick staff thrown in as an extra bonus

How do you know they aren’t? I keep being told on here to write to my MP to ask for things. I done, multiple times. I get a generic email response from my Boris bum boy MP. So assuming you’re campaigning for these things, what else can I do?

Mojoj · 07/02/2022 18:01

No, we've tortured kids enough. Everyone needs to get a grip and get on with the business of living

RocketFire7 · 07/02/2022 18:06

@ShallWeTalkAboutBruno

What we do know is that tens of millions of DC are wearing N95 masks all day every day across the US in order to keep themselves and others safe.

That is happening with no issue so it seems like common sense to me to apply the same approach here given that schools are currently hotbeds of infection.

It would also be common sense to me to implement a rota system, to allow social distancing in classrooms. Why not have half the class in Monday and Tuesday, Wednesday for deep cleaning and teacher planning, and then the other half in Thursday and Friday?

DC could do blended online learning for the other half of the week.

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ShallWeTalkAboutBruno · 07/02/2022 18:07

[quote RocketFire7]@ShallWeTalkAboutBruno

What we do know is that tens of millions of DC are wearing N95 masks all day every day across the US in order to keep themselves and others safe.

That is happening with no issue so it seems like common sense to me to apply the same approach here given that schools are currently hotbeds of infection.

It would also be common sense to me to implement a rota system, to allow social distancing in classrooms. Why not have half the class in Monday and Tuesday, Wednesday for deep cleaning and teacher planning, and then the other half in Thursday and Friday?

DC could do blended online learning for the other half of the week.[/quote]
That wasn’t my question. I asked if you wear a N95 mask, social distance and isolate when you’re in contact with a positive case. Do you?

lonelyplanet · 07/02/2022 18:07

How do you know they aren’t?
I am making the assumption from what is said on this site about schools. It is great to hear you have written to your mp; sorry you live in an area with a crap mp. I do too and have had similar responses. It is a shame more people don't speak out.

ShallWeTalkAboutBruno · 07/02/2022 18:08

And following what the US does unquestioningly is never, ever ‘common sense’.
Have you seen their infant hospitalisation rate?

Scianel · 07/02/2022 18:10

I think it's time that Indy Sage go back to the day jobs now.

NYnewstart · 07/02/2022 18:11

Well I’ve had covid twice now, both caught at school. Let’s see how long it is before I get it again and how bad. I can only take so much. Maybe it’s time for a career change.

TheKeatingFive · 07/02/2022 18:12

I think it's time that Indy Sage go back to the day jobs now.

Amen to that

ShallWeTalkAboutBruno · 07/02/2022 18:12

I’ve had it twice too, both caught at work. In an office.

TheKeatingFive · 07/02/2022 18:13

It would also be common sense to me to implement a rota system, to allow social distancing in classrooms. Why not have half the class in Monday and Tuesday, Wednesday for deep cleaning and teacher planning, and then the other half in Thursday and Friday?

DC could do blended online learning for the other half of the week

And who's going to compensate the parents that will then have to give up their jobs? Are you volunteering to pay more tax?

OliveTree75 · 07/02/2022 18:22

*It would also be common sense to me to implement a rota system, to allow social distancing in classrooms. Why not have half the class in Monday and Tuesday, Wednesday for deep cleaning and teacher planning, and then the other half in Thursday and Friday?

DC could do blended online learning for the other half of the week.*

Actually think this is a wind up thread now because nobody can genuingly believe that is a good idea

TheKeatingFive · 07/02/2022 18:25

It's all a bit July 2020 alright

SilverontheTree · 07/02/2022 18:27

Ventilation yes.
Vaccination yes, if that is what the parent decides is in the best interests of their child.
Compulsory vaccination of school staff yes.
Bring back isolation if household contact is positive.
Masks no.
Bubbles - maybe? As in keeping contacts low ish. Only socialising with their year group at playtime etc.
Isolation for all the class no.
Essentially any mitigations that aren’t detrimental to children!

Waxonwaxoff0 · 07/02/2022 18:30

[quote RocketFire7]@ShallWeTalkAboutBruno

What we do know is that tens of millions of DC are wearing N95 masks all day every day across the US in order to keep themselves and others safe.

That is happening with no issue so it seems like common sense to me to apply the same approach here given that schools are currently hotbeds of infection.

It would also be common sense to me to implement a rota system, to allow social distancing in classrooms. Why not have half the class in Monday and Tuesday, Wednesday for deep cleaning and teacher planning, and then the other half in Thursday and Friday?

DC could do blended online learning for the other half of the week.[/quote]
Because parents have to work and we can't all work from home. You gonna pay my mortgage if I can't go to work 3 days a week?

Online learning is shit anyway especially for primary age.

Lolamento · 07/02/2022 18:31

NO

Waxonwaxoff0 · 07/02/2022 18:32

@NYnewstart

Well I’ve had covid twice now, both caught at school. Let’s see how long it is before I get it again and how bad. I can only take so much. Maybe it’s time for a career change.
I work in a factory and I caught Covid at work. I'm not sitting around moaning about it, that's just life nowadays.
VikingOnTheFridge · 07/02/2022 18:42

@CarrieBlue

No, no mitigation at all with mn, didn’t you know we are supposed to pretend it doesn’t exist? MN only cares about child mental health when it can be used as an excuse to put no protections in school, despite mental health services being crap for years, only care about the state of school buildings as a sop to pretend they care about keeping children and staff safe, but children must be in school. Bit of a problem when 16% of staff are off, but that’s ok because as long as there’s a warm body in front of the class that counts as education. Or childcare. Or not having to look after your own child. All for the want of a mask and some distancing.
Listen peasants, don't dare say you want your kids in school and in particular make sure you're privileged enough not to ever need school as childcare. You're only allowed an opinion on the subject if I've preapproved you, and if you can show proof of a decade of political campaigning on topics of my choice. Unless you're claiming with zero evidence that masks would stop Omicron though, in which case obviously crack on.
Greentomatoes21 · 07/02/2022 18:42

This HAS to be a wind up!! There would be just no excuse good enough for restricting children while the rest of society does whatever they bloody well like. Just NO! I'm a teacher in a large primary school. It has been a very challenging fortnight with numerous staff and children off. Pretty much everyone is back now, no one adversely affected. We have plenty of mitigations (we are UK based but not in England) but kids mix all the time out of school so don't see much point in them really. For example my niece can't so much as look at her cousin in school despite being in same year group. Yet spent all Sunday playing indoors together. 🤔 Parties, ballet, Brownies, after-school clubs...not quite as easy/helpful as people think to just throw restrictions into schools.

narcdad · 07/02/2022 18:43

Absolutely not! Common sense seems to have gone out of the window worh some people. Loo

Flapjacker48 · 07/02/2022 18:45

You lost me the minute "independent sage" was mentioned.

narcdad · 07/02/2022 18:50

Posted too soon, there is a 6 million long waiting list for the NHS, dread to think how many people are really suffering with pain, delayed ops, delayed cancer diagnosis.

theemperorhasnoclothes · 07/02/2022 18:54

The problem is that the debate about N95 masks is frankly a distraction when we have schools without decent ventilation and air filtration - both of which only have positives and no negatives. And, as a bonus, will help reduce children being off with other airborne illnesses too.

The science shows that air filtration and ventilation is extremely effective and I've seen it in DDs school.

I asked the school if they'd let me buy an air filter for DD's classroom. They accepted. Her class is the only one with an air filter - and it's the only class largely unaffected by a massive covid outbreak that had more than half the children in the school off sick in one week (there were a couple of kids in her class who caught covid - they were the siblings of kids elsewhere in the school that caught it).

Her teacher is also amazing about ensuring there's adequate ventilation - and is lucky in that the room they're in has plenty of opening windows. Her class was the ONLY one without a teacher off at one point or another since term began. As a consequence, her schooling has been consistent and normal, but the rest of the school have suffered badly.

The common sense thing to do would be to ensure every class has decent ventilation and air filtration. Then see if masks are needed on top. There's NO POINT having the argument about masks until the most basic step has been taken.

It's insane this hasn't been done and shows that the Tories give not one tiny flying fuck about kids health OR education or indeed anything to do with them at all. THEIR kids are at Eton or other private schools with tiny class sizes and decent buildings. And, I'm betting, air filters.

They could have paid for air filters in classrooms with all the LFTs they've funded. At one point the entire school was told to test on LFTs daily it was so rife with covid. If they really cost 10 quid each, that would have paid for air filters for the entire school several times over.

Whitefire · 07/02/2022 18:55

It's too late in the day for all this.

3WildOnes · 07/02/2022 19:00

Air filtration systems yes. Both of my children’s schools have these and I think the government should pay so that these are available to all schools.

I would be absolutely furious if any of the other measures you have suggested were implemented. I do not want my children wearing masks in schools, I do not want them socially distancing and I do not want blended learning. I do not want their education or their social lives impacted any more than they have already. I do not want any more restrictions on their lives.

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