Anyone want a perpetual lockdown

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I often see posters accused of wanting continual lockdowns, despite their post not suggesting it. I often assume it's done to deflect or antagonise posters who suggest a health measure(s) to adapt to life post-2019. However, is there anyone who posts on this board that does want perpetual lockdowns?

[quote Emergency73]@Wreath21

I agree with you on every single point. I’m addition - we’ve hoarded all the vaccines, if you consider poverty on a global level.

But why are they there? We put them there.

The government is us; we are the government, you and I.

And I’m not sure our response has been dramatically different from other Western nations. And the factor that we all have in common? Individualism. Except we have a particularly individualistic leader in power.

And we, as the people - are we truly better? I’m hoping that some of the views on here are still in the minority - but they read like something straight from the ReformUK manifesto.[/quote]
The thing about 'us' having put the government in place is a bit of a tricky one, though. Over the past decade there have been changes to the whole electoral process, which were designed to increase the Tories' share of the vote. Fucko the Clown's 'landslide majority' was only possible because of the way votes are counted: more inviduals didn't vote Tory than actually did.

So I don't know that it's particularly accurate to blame 'the general public' for this government's dishonesty, gangsterism, etc - any more than it's accurate to blame the general public for causing all those covid deaths by refusing to obey their betters...

Exactly, what we have in the UK is an electoral system that creates artificial majorities and substantial efforts made by those with power to keep it and conceal what's actually happening. One thing that does separate us from the large majority of other Western nations is first past the post.

My memory of the cheese/coffee threads was that running out of milk/bread for your toddler wasn't deemed a good enough excuse to go to the shop. They'd just have to eat something else instead, until your next weekly visit

However that thread wasn't nearly as extreme as the 'eating a bag of crisps sitting on a park bench makes you a murderer' one which was around about the same time.

I was called thick and an idiot on one of those threads as DH had gone out to buy milk and had picked up some chocolate and lager at the same time. He had no business going out for milk as it's not essential if you have a tap apparently.

One of those threads had somebody blaming “people who are guzzling milk like there’s no tomorrow” for the virus still spreading, which was definitely a highlight of that early lockdown madness

“I hope that can of coke is worth it when you are on a ventilator” will always stay with me.

Just utter fucking madness.

The “you should only go shopping once a week” thing was also very telling in how subjective people were in deciding what was ‘sensible’.

Obviously different people need to go food shopping more or less often depending on their finances, their storage situation, their transport, etc. But when it came to essential shopping and covid it was “nobody should be going more than once a week [because my life circumstances mean I don’t need to], but once a week or 10 days is fine [because my life circumstances mean I’m not able to store months of food]. Why can’t people just be SENSIBLE?”

@TheKeatingFive

My memory of the cheese/coffee threads was that running out of milk/bread for your toddler wasn't deemed a good enough excuse to go to the shop. They'd just have to eat something else instead, until your next weekly visit

However that thread wasn't nearly as extreme as the 'eating a bag of crisps sitting on a park bench makes you a murderer' one which was around about the same time.

It was if you haven't got any milk in and the shops were shut, then cheese is a good source of calcium. It was then elaborated into "lockdown lovers tell people to put cheese in their tea instead of milk".

I can't even find anything along those lines! But it has been fascinating and weird looking back at MN threads during March and April 2020.

It’d be interesting to see what it really was

I missed it but remember the coke worth it to end up on ventilator one vaguely

It was if you haven't got any milk in and the shops were shut, then cheese is a good source of calcium.

As I say it was also 'no getting milk for your toddler isn't a good enough reason to pop into a corner shop for two minutes, they can wait until you next get to shop, even if that's the guts of a week away'

@VikingOnTheFridge

Exactly, what we have in the UK is an electoral system that creates artificial majorities and substantial efforts made by those with power to keep it and conceal what's actually happening. One thing that does separate us from the large majority of other Western nations is first past the post.

I hope that people remember and also demand the voting system is changed. I know there was a recent (ish) poll on changing FPTP which didn’t go through, but that wasn’t changing to a truly proportional system so it’s no surprise it failed. We need another one, with better options.

Though neither of the big two will do it because it won’t benefit them!

It was linked not long ago, which is why I remember it clearly

There was at one point a thread where someone was worried about running out of formula for a very young baby (I think she had either tested positive or had symptoms). IIRC a lot of people did tell her it was ok to go to the shops if she had to - but to be honest it's pretty worrying that this was even a question that was asked.

There were also a number of very weird threads judging whether what people had put in their shopping baskets was "essential" enough.

I also remember the berating of people buying Easter eggs, while legitimately in a shop already, doing their once a week shop. How the fuck they thought that significantly impacted the spread of covid, I'll never know

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

I can't even find anything along those lines! But it has been fascinating and weird looking back at MN threads during March and April 2020.

Like this one.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a3858972-Two-food-shopping-trips-a-week?msgid=94968392#94968392

Started out asking whether two shopping trips a week was ok. Turned into 'But every shopping trip could kill someone.' Towards the end, someone talking about making soup from nettles in the garden. Last couple of posts were about Nazis and nuclear war.

No wonder we were all fucking exhausted.

Well that was a terrifying read. It included this gem

If you want to put your families at risk for a carton of milk go ahead

It's fair to say we were only a hair's breadth away from grating cheese into coffee

And how ironic that the Swedish DO put cheese in their coffee. Land of the free.

That thread from 2020. Blimey. I didn't look at MN for about three months around that time because it was just wild on here.

@GoldenOmber

My memory of the original “cheese in coffee” suggestion was that it was a thread about how often anyone needed to go shopping, with some very firmly of the view that nobody should be going out more than once a week.

Discussion got into what happens if you run out of milk mid-week and surely milk was an essential, someone (seriously) suggested that cheese was a perfectly good source of calcium if you didn’t have milk, and someone else said “doesn’t taste as good grated into coffee though.”

I heard the cheese in coffee referred to a number of times, so assumed it had actually been suggested! Glad it wasn't true!

@Emergency73

And how ironic that the Swedish DO put cheese in their coffee. Land of the free.

Really?

@Sparklingbrook

That thread from 2020. Blimey. I didn't look at MN for about three months around that time because it was just wild on here.

Brings back horrible memories of trying to get baby formula.

@northumberlandavenue what measures do you think would be most helpful now?

@GoldenOmber

My memory of the original “cheese in coffee” suggestion was that it was a thread about how often anyone needed to go shopping, with some very firmly of the view that nobody should be going out more than once a week.

Discussion got into what happens if you run out of milk mid-week and surely milk was an essential, someone (seriously) suggested that cheese was a perfectly good source of calcium if you didn’t have milk, and someone else said “doesn’t taste as good grated into coffee though.”

I'm very bored so thought I'd do a search and I think I've found the thread! Yes, it was pretty much as you describe.

Poster 1: Most people CAN make do if they run out of bread and milk. We ran out of bread and milk a few days ago and we haven't had been having cheese instead of milk, potatoes instead of sandwiches. Yes, I would have preferred not to have black tea this morning but its important to limit shopping to once a week and make do in the meantime. After all, coronavirus is more dangerous than running out of milk for a couple of days. Perspective

Poster 2: "We have been having cheese instead of milk" Ew, I don't fancy the idea of cheese in my tea and on my cereal!

And so the myth grew!

The whole thread is here and makes for both hilarious and horrifying reading in equal measure.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/a3871017-People-demanding-a-full-lock-down?msgid=95373300#95373300