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Non vaxxed friend refusing to isolate (close contact)

99 replies

Watermelontonic · 24/01/2022 08:33

They’ve been contacted by track and trace as they have been identified as a close contact as someone who has just tested positive.

He says he’ll just take LFTs for 7 days, same as vaccinated people.
He’s self employed, so he’ll lose money if he isolates for 10 days.

I wish he hadn’t told me, as I know now that he’s breaking the law and not sure what to do.

What would you do?

OP posts:

treeflowercat · 25/01/2022 04:57

I meant to write "...don't help prevent transmission at all....."

Gimlisaxe · 25/01/2022 05:33

@AnEpisodeOfEastenders

It would be interesting to hear peoples reasons not to be vaccinated rather than just CEV.

I have mental health issues. Before covid I was just starting to get further than my sons school.

When covid hit, my brain went the government agrees with me. I don't think I went out at all in the first lockdown.

It has taken me the last two years to get 2 miles from my house in any one direction and that has to be with my partner, I can do just over a mile on my own. Vaccination center is nearly 8 miles away. I have tried to get there but the panic attacks are horrible and end up leaving me exhausted.

I am on the list for mental health counselling but I am probably fairly low down on the list due to managing it all and not being suicidal. My life is just very small at the moment

Adatwistscientist · 25/01/2022 05:44

I'm astounded test and trace or whatever it's called still exist! Had no idea people were still getting close contact calls.

Hercisback · 25/01/2022 06:00

@TheLovelinessOfDemons

Why would he not be allowed out save for a ten minute walk? This sounds cruel and abusive.

trickytimes · 25/01/2022 06:06

Do something? Why would you do something? Why is his life your business? You know it’s not illegal. The prisons aren’t full of people defying track and trace. Somebody could have given his name by mistake anyway. The whole system is flawed. So you think Boris Johnson should be arrested for having those parties? If your friend is illegal then so are all those politicians right? Why don’t you just stop. This isn’t a “thing” anymore. It’s done. You and people like you had your shot and shutting down the country and now it’s over. It’s not illegal and nobody cares what your opinion of his behaviour is. Get back to living your own life and not Covid monitoring

chaosrabbitland · 25/01/2022 06:08

i wouldnt do anything , it wouldnt even bother me to give it a second thought

nettie434 · 25/01/2022 06:21

If he can't afford to self isolate, then why has he not got vaccinated? (Rhetorical question as people who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons don't have to self isolate.)

Realistically there is not much you can do. Technically he could be fined but there must be millions of people who have done the same as him and the chances of being caught are very low. Rightly or wrongly, Boris Johnson plans to end the self isolation rules by the end of March.

In your position, I wouldn't do anything - he is planning to test himself after all - but it would influence my opinion of him.

trickytimes · 25/01/2022 07:11

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newchance2 · 25/01/2022 07:30

@AnEpisodeOfEastenders
Triple vaccinated person here.
Do you accept that there are a certain number of healthy people who tragically died after the vaccine, particularly AZ? Do you accept that some people don’t want to take this (small) risk, especially when they are not really at risk from the actually covid. Do you know they are actual people with children, parents, brothers, sisters etc etc How difficult it is to understand?

tigger1001 · 25/01/2022 08:10

@trickytimes

Track and trace isn’t running anymore so this makes me think this post is a hoax. Nobody really is interested in Covid anymore. This is just a goady troll trying to keep the Covid drama going. Reported.

I'm in Scotland and it's certainly still operational here. Thankfully they don't seem to calm you but you do get texts/emails when a close contact

tigger1001 · 25/01/2022 08:10

call not calm

Inastatus · 25/01/2022 08:11

MYOB

user313213521 · 25/01/2022 08:17

@Gimlisaxe That sounds really tough.

Have you asked your GP surgery if they can do anything for you? They did a home visit for one very elderly relative even though someone could have taken her to a vaccination centre.

I've also heard of them being done at the GP practice for others (I'm assuming the practice is relatively nearby).

Right now I think they're so keen to get as many people vaccinated as possible that you might be pleasantly surprised as to how accommodating they can be.

Toty · 25/01/2022 08:29

Your friend sounds sensible. I'm currently isolating as an unvaxxed adult as my ds has covid. He tested negative every day he was symptomatic and only tested positive the day after his symptoms disappeared.
I've had 6 consecutive negative lateral flows, a negative pcr, no symptoms and I still have to isolate longer than my son who actually has covid . The rules are nonsensical and only serve to punish those who have declined the vaccine.
Testing and mask wearing should be all that's required of close contacts regardless of vaccine status and hopefully this will soon be the case.

AnEpisodeOfEastenders · 25/01/2022 09:19

[quote newchance2]@AnEpisodeOfEastenders
Triple vaccinated person here.
Do you accept that there are a certain number of healthy people who tragically died after the vaccine, particularly AZ? Do you accept that some people don’t want to take this (small) risk, especially when they are not really at risk from the actually covid. Do you know they are actual people with children, parents, brothers, sisters etc etc How difficult it is to understand?[/quote]
That argument is illogical - yes there were an extremely small number of deaths partially attributed to the vaccine being administered but there are a far higher proportional number of deaths attributed to people with Covid and not having the vaccine.

newchance2 · 25/01/2022 10:06

@AnEpisodeOfEastenders
The balance of risks looks different for vulnerable/older people and young healthy people. I felt extremely uneasy being jabbed with AZ in my 30s. It was clear that the benefit of being jabbed didn’t outweigh the risk of covid for me. That’s why they stopped recommending it for healthy under 40s. I could potentially leave my children without a mother if I were the one who’s unlucky to have severe side effects. I regret making the decision to be jabbed.

newchance2 · 25/01/2022 10:07

@AnEpisodeOfEastenders
To add to the story, I did have covid almost symptom free before the vaccines were introduced.

TheChip · 25/01/2022 10:22

I dont think the argument is illogical. For a young healthy person, there is only a small risk from covid itself. In rare circumstances they will be badly effected, but then that risk is similar to the adverse effects from the vaccines.

I havent had covid, nor have I had the vaccine. I would rather take my chances with covid than I would with the vaccine.

We all have to weigh up our own risks and do what we feel is best for us and our circumstances, and that is the choice I made.

MoggyP · 25/01/2022 13:36

We all have to weigh up our own risks and do what we feel is best for us and our circumstances, and that is the choice I made

But that choice includes the need to isolate when you are a contact. Change hasn't happened to that yet.

Valkyrie40 · 25/01/2022 13:38

People are still doing test and trace??? I had to check this wasn't a zombie thread!

TheChip · 25/01/2022 13:38

@MoggyP

We all have to weigh up our own risks and do what we feel is best for us and our circumstances, and that is the choice I made

But that choice includes the need to isolate when you are a contact. Change hasn't happened to that yet.

Yeah it does. Sorry my response was for @AnEpisodeOfEastenders , it just didn't quote

Idontevenknow · 25/01/2022 16:07

@MoggyP

We all have to weigh up our own risks and do what we feel is best for us and our circumstances, and that is the choice I made

But that choice includes the need to isolate when you are a contact. Change hasn't happened to that yet.

But why is there the need to isolate? Why is a lateral flow trusted to let someone who has actually tested positive out after 5 days, but it isn't trusted enough for someone testing daily who has only been a close contact?

TheChip · 25/01/2022 16:38

@Idontevenknow as others have said. It is nothing more than punishment to those who have made the "wrong" choice.

workwoes123 · 25/01/2022 20:07

I can’t believe so many people think that it’s ok to just ignore the law and do nothing. There must presumably be a reason for this law or it wouldn’t be law.

There are reasons for the law but they aren’t what you think they are.

The only statistic that really counts is the pressure on the health service. The best way to reduce that pressure is to get as many people vaccinated as possible. One way to get people vaccinated is to make life less convenient, more annoying etc - to piss them off, s as Macron put it, so they get vaccinated.

That’s why the rules for unvaccinated people are different.

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