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Bonkers hamster killers

71 replies

JustUseTheDoorSanta · 18/01/2022 16:54

Seems extreme: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-60038551.

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Aroundtheworldin80moves · 18/01/2022 16:56

Thats extreme.

TheChip · 18/01/2022 16:57

Remember when there were talks of putting dogs down in China. I guess we are at that stage again

leafyygreens · 18/01/2022 16:59

I think the thread title is little xenophobic

Did the mink cull in Denmark get this kind of reaction? www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54890229

I don't know enough about small mammal transmission to understand if it's justified or not, but would want to read some epidemiological commentary before commenting myself.

JustUseTheDoorSanta · 18/01/2022 17:00

It's not hard to quarantine a hamster, surely most of them live in cages.

I don't remember about the dogs, but I'm surprised the cats are safe, I recall reports of everything from mink to tigers having covid.

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JustUseTheDoorSanta · 18/01/2022 17:01

@leafyygreens

I think the thread title is little xenophobic

Did the mink cull in Denmark get this kind of reaction? www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54890229

I don't know enough about small mammal transmission to understand if it's justified or not, but would want to read some epidemiological commentary before commenting myself.

Well yeah, there were. Here's one: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4100848-Mink-farms-in-Ireland-and-Denmark?msgid=102431171.
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Suzi888 · 18/01/2022 17:02

“Did the mink cull in Denmark get this kind of reaction? www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54890229”
It did from me. Disgusting.

TheChip · 18/01/2022 17:02

I know gerbils and that can catch a cold from you, so maybe covid can pass on too.

Flaxmeadow · 18/01/2022 17:03

It's sensible.

JustUseTheDoorSanta · 18/01/2022 17:04

@TheChip

I know gerbils and that can catch a cold from you, so maybe covid can pass on too.
22nd December is a month ago, poor little things will have recovered if they even had it. Testing the hamsters or testing the owners was also possible.
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TheChip · 18/01/2022 17:05

Poor things. There really is no need. They are the easiest things to isolate

DynamiteFilledRadish · 18/01/2022 17:05

Did the mink cull in Denmark get this kind of reaction?

Yes. There were loads of threads about it so you can rest easy.

Midlander88 · 18/01/2022 17:35

Why are they not reporting these animal culls in more of a concerned way? If there's a chance that animals can infect humans with covid, then I think we can safely say that lockdowns and masks have been pointless.

Flaxmeadow · 18/01/2022 17:37

I think people are missing the point. This is a case of probable animal to human transmission. It needs to be taken very seriously

The person worked in a hamster pet shop and had no other contacts than the animals. The hamsters were tested and several of them had covid too.

Buzzinwithbez · 18/01/2022 18:22

Good help us that anyone thinks this is ok.

Apart from how awful it is there's this

"And any new pet owners who bought a hamster since 22 December, perhaps as a Christmas gift, will need to hand the animal over to authorities for euthanasia."

How many people and children in particular will have much loved pets killed and what will be the emotional fallout?
Bloody hell!

TheChip · 18/01/2022 18:24

Why do they need to go to those lengths? Unless they believed that once hamsters are infected, they will forever be contagious. Which can't be possible, surely!
Sounds like some sick fuck is just enjoying this.

XenoBitch · 18/01/2022 18:43

This is disturbing and over the top.
Yes, mink were culled in Denmark, but those mink were destined to die anyway. They were not pets in family homes.

SantaClawsServiette · 18/01/2022 22:04

It's ridiculous, trying to hold water in a sieve. But that's where the 0 covid approach gets you.

There are all kinds of animal hosts of covid. Where I live it includes the large deer population in the woods.

Kill all the deer, kill all the mink, kill all the hamsters, shut the people in their offices for days or seal their apartments. Whatever it takes.

As soon as they stop doing these things it will be back, so the poor buggers are basically screwed permanently.

Summersdreaming · 18/01/2022 22:25

Disgraceful.

MaxNormal · 18/01/2022 22:46

If there's a chance that animals can infect humans with covid, then I think we can safely say that lockdowns and masks have been pointless

Its been known since almost the start though, there are animal reservoirs. Its why Zero Covid was always an absolute nonsense.

leafyygreens · 18/01/2022 23:11

@MaxNormal

If there's a chance that animals can infect humans with covid, then I think we can safely say that lockdowns and masks have been pointless

Its been known since almost the start though, there are animal reservoirs. Its why Zero Covid was always an absolute nonsense.

There a huge difference between "zero COVID" and suppression of transmission during times of high case load & hospitilisation
Kokeshi123 · 19/01/2022 01:00

I think the thread title is little xenophobic Did the mink cull in Denmark get this kind of reaction?

Of course it's not "xenophobic," and yes, people made the same comments about the bloody minks.

HK is basically panicking and doubling down in a major way. They have a poor vaccination rate due to very high levels of refusal, and the vaccine refusal is concentrated among the exact group where it's most dangerous--the majority of over 70s were unjabbed, last time I checked.

Keeping the virus out altogether was a winner for HK during 2020, but it's also led to complacency and refusal to get the jab among a lot of the old folks, and the endless snap lockdowns over a single case has caused extreme fear of the virus among many, meaning that letting the virus circulate is psychologically and emotionally very hard to do.

The people in charge are prioritizing the normalization of relations with the mainland, which is still trying to do the zero covid thing, so poor old HK is being dragged along with Beijing, basically.

Hence the panicky responses about hamsters. It's probably all futile and omicron will most likely start spreading anyway, but nobody really knows what else to do.

Meanwhile, record numbers of HKers are trying to emigrate to the UK. I don't blame them. It may be Plague Island over in the UK, but omicron will peak and die away after a while, whereas those staying in HK probably face a bleak future for a whole bunch of reasons.

Emilyontmoor · 19/01/2022 01:20

The people in charge are prioritizing the normalization of relations with the mainland, which is still trying to do the zero covid thing, so poor old HK is being dragged along with Beijing, basically. I am not sure that is the appropriate way to put it? Normal until recently was the one country, two systems framework for relations with Hong Kong having a degree of autonomy, now Carrie Lam is kowtowing totally to Beijing with the sedition law meaning that anyone speaking ill of China, defined in the loosest terms, even if it isn’t actually in Hong Kong can be arrested and imprisoned in or on arrival in Hong Kong. Universities here are making arrangements for students to go back to submitting on paper so they can develop critical thinking in their work without the risk it will be hacked / monitored by the Chinese government and considered to fall within the law.

The Covid response is just another example where Carrie Lam is actually going beyond China’s strategy to please Beijing and get the border open. Quarantining Cathay staff in quarantine hotels / camps for three weeks (with no basis in science) apart from their families after every flight back in and the same for everyone who attended a GP practise in a two week period around a nurse testing positive even if the nurse had not been on duty at the time plus all the residents including the elderly in her apartment block some with dementia who really suffered from being isolated on their own we’re all OTT reactions especially designed to show in part she will target expats.

And people are worried about hamsters?

PrisonerofZeroCovid · 19/01/2022 01:37

Emily Not sure if you're in HK at the moment but oddly, the hamster thing has almost been the last straw for a lot of people in HK - it gained a lot more traction than I expected (and I get what you're saying in terms of it being a minor thing against the backdrop of everything else that's going on). Possibly people are starting to realise that we're sacrificing a lot at the alter of Zero Covid. Despite all the wumao telling us we are lucky and everything here is "normal" because "can go to Gucci and dim sum" most people fortunately still realise that taking some kid's Christmas present hamster and killing it is pretty fucked up.

Kokeshi123 · 19/01/2022 02:09

Sorry, "normalization" was indeed not the right way to put it, as integration with the mainland was not the norm, previously.

"Integration of travel with the mainland" would be more accurate, I guess.

At any rate, that seems to be the priority.

I am not sure what the long term plan for HK is. If it is no freer than Shanghai (and obviously smaller and less central), then it loses its unique selling point and I guess it will just continue to decline. Firms who want to do business in China will end up in Shanghai, and similar, those who want a free international hub will do Singapore and other places like that.

Perhaps the CCP envisages HK in the future primarily serving as a sort of quaint "tourism visiting spot" for mainlanders. :(

I spent part of my childhood in HK and love it very much. It's so incredibly sad.

Kokeshi123 · 19/01/2022 02:58

Agree with PP that people are reacting to this strongly not because they care about hamsters more than people, but because it just feels like the last straw after all the awful things that have happened in HK (COVID related and otherwise).

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