Has anyone managed to get a vaccine for a 12-15yr old sooner than 12 weeks after Covid?

[brokenhairband]

My 14 year old DD had Covid over Christmas. We are meant to be going away at Feb half term but she now can't get a second jab in time (country needs two jabs). Has anyone managed to get one sooner? For most people its 4 weeks after covid for a vaccine but for that age group it's 12 weeks unless vulnerable.
She really wants her second vaccine so she can go. Thinking of just turning up and hoping for the best. Does anyone know if the vaccinators will have her record of positive test in front of them?

I don't know if covid status is recorded, but even if not you would have to lie on the consent form.

The reason they don't give the vaccines before 12 weeks post covid for that age group is the risk analysis they have done regarding the (small) increased risk of myocarditis in that time frame versus the overall benefit of the vaccination.

My GP surgery will do it eight weeks after first dose. This is what they state on their Facebook page:

“𝗖𝗹𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝟭𝘀𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝟮𝗻𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗲 𝗮𝗴𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝟭𝟮 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝟭𝟱. 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗚𝗿𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗕𝗼𝗼𝗸 (𝐕𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝐁𝗶𝗯𝗹𝗲) 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 👇

"For those under 18 who are not in a high risk group a 12 week interval is preferred. This is based on precautionary advice from the JCVI based on emerging evidence of a lower rate of myocarditis in countries that use schedules of 8 to 12 weeks. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐚𝐥𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐞𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐤𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐝𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐡 𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐫 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐫𝐧 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐯𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 (𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐞𝐱𝐚𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐚 𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐯𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐭)."

So... those aged between 12 and 15 can attend for their 2nd vaccination from week 8 post 1st vaccination.”

Thanks - I know the reasoning behind it but it is different reasoning in other countries. She had a completely asymptomatic case and we only knew about it as she took a lateral flow. Seems this must happen a lot and seems a shame she can't then travel 7 weeks later. If she could have it at 4 weeks, like the rest of the population and those abroad, then she would be able to travel.

@BunsyGirl

My GP surgery will do it eight weeks after first dose. This is what they state on their Facebook page:

“𝗖𝗹𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝟭𝘀𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝟮𝗻𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗲 𝗮𝗴𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝟭𝟮 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝟭𝟱. 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗚𝗿𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗕𝗼𝗼𝗸 (𝐕𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝐁𝗶𝗯𝗹𝗲) 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 👇

"For those under 18 who are not in a high risk group a 12 week interval is preferred. This is based on precautionary advice from the JCVI based on emerging evidence of a lower rate of myocarditis in countries that use schedules of 8 to 12 weeks. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐚𝐥𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐞𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐤𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐝𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐡 𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐫 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐫𝐧 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐯𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 (𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐞𝐱𝐚𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐚 𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐯𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐭)."

So... those aged between 12 and 15 can attend for their 2nd vaccination from week 8 post 1st vaccination.”

I think the question is about post covid infection rather than post first dose.

@BunsyGirl

My GP surgery will do it eight weeks after first dose. This is what they state on their Facebook page:

“𝗖𝗹𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝟭𝘀𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝟮𝗻𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗲 𝗮𝗴𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝟭𝟮 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝟭𝟱. 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗚𝗿𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗕𝗼𝗼𝗸 (𝐕𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝐁𝗶𝗯𝗹𝗲) 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 👇

"For those under 18 who are not in a high risk group a 12 week interval is preferred. This is based on precautionary advice from the JCVI based on emerging evidence of a lower rate of myocarditis in countries that use schedules of 8 to 12 weeks. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐚𝐥𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐞𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐤𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐝𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐡 𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐫 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐫𝐧 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐯𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 (𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐞𝐱𝐚𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐚 𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐯𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐭)."

So... those aged between 12 and 15 can attend for their 2nd vaccination from week 8 post 1st vaccination.”

That's says nothing about vaccine after a covid infection. It was moved to 12 weeks afterwards to help minimise cases of myocarditis

@dementedpixie sorry, I misread. I thought the OP was asking about spacing between first and second doses as I know that the walk in near me insist on 12 weeks but my surgery will do it at 8 weeks.

My DD had covid two weeks after her first vaccination. I couldn’t book before 12 weeks after that for her second vaccination. The date of the first vaccination is certainly in front of the vaccinator, so if you’ve reported a positive test I can’t see why that information wouldn’t be there too, and you’d have to lie when they ask about whether she has had covid in the last 12 weeks regardless. Irritating though waiting is (and it’s 11 weeks since my DS had his first, I’m not counting on him making it to next week to get his second), that’s the rule in place for a reason. If there were side effects and she was on holiday, would insurance cover you? After all, usually insurance companies will do anything to avoid paying out.

We are in this exact situation and I've moved the holiday along until later in the year.

It cost £200 admin fee but there was a £200 'voucher' they could use

One day I hope to go on holiday, at this rate we'll be taking grandchildren

We couldn't book one. Tried the walk-in when I thought they'd announced they were doing them after 8 weeks, but they wouldn't do it. (About to have it at 12 weeks.)

I'm in the same situation and it's allowed me to book the vaccine at a mass centre. I'm just going to go along and try it. Otherwise, we were going to try walk ins.
Other countries only have 4 weeks between infection and vaccine for that age group so the UK is more out on a limb than the rest of the world.

I could have booked the vax earlier than 12 weeks after DS infection. The online system was allowing earlier dates (though I didn’t). The consent form I completed only said 28 days, not 12 weeks and the vaccinator did not ask me any further questions. I actually wondered if they had decided to reduce the time period for teens again.

We are in the same situation as DD has a school trip booked. Can’t find anywhere local who will do the second jab at 8 weeks post Covid

Yes, they’ll have vaccination dates and if you’ve tested positive. It’s all on centralised NHS records. You’ll just have to wait, you can’t break the rules just for a holiday.

@Verite1

I could have booked the vax earlier than 12 weeks after DS infection. The online system was allowing earlier dates (though I didn’t). The consent form I completed only said 28 days, not 12 weeks and the vaccinator did not ask me any further questions. I actually wondered if they had decided to reduce the time period for teens again.

That is promising! I don't want to lie, but hoping it just says 28 days on a form. My DD wants to lie if it's a verbal question. What consent form are you talking about? When I took them for their first, it was just some verbal questions nothing to fill in.

Also I could have booked my vax earlier than 28 days after my infection. In fact I was being bombarded with texts asking me to book my booster well before the expiry. So don’t know if records are always centralised. Not that I am recommending that course of action - particularly with a teen boy who have highest risk of myocarditis. I know that OP has a DD so lower risk.

I had to complete a written consent form at the vaccination centre. This was earlier this week. Maybe different centres/areas have different procedures.

What is annoying is that it was 4 weeks until 17 November and then changed. It's clearly a very fine balance of risks. If a child has underlying conditions, it's also 4 weeks. In most other countries, it's 4 weeks. Perhaps it will change back considering the high level of infection currently.

We were in this situation last month when we were going on a much delayed big family holiday to Spain for Christmas. At the time we had no idea the rules had changed and were so relieved that dd could just get her 2nd dose in time. Both me and dh were there too getting our boosters so we all went to the same desk. When it came to the questions for my dd (she's 17, almost 18) they said have you had covid in the last 12 weeks? My heart sunk. She had had it in October. But dd answered straight away and said no. We kept quiet and she got it done. So nothing was reported on the system. And she did have a positive pcr test then too.
I don't honestly know what the increased risk is but dd was adamant she wanted to go on holiday and given the fact she turned 18 less than 6 months later we went for it!
I don't think they do know if you're lying or not unless they wouldn't ask.

Thank you all.
I appreciate the risks, but my DD is aware of these and wants to go ahead if she can. It doesn't help that the legislation and balance of risks keeps changing.
She has numerous friends who had Covid in September who then got their first vaccine 4 weeks later, as the rules were then. From anecdotal evidence from friends, it seems they don't check, they ask the question. If they do check, she will be refused. Her point of view is that many must know if they had covid at all and still had the vaccine (some of her friends were positive - unknowingly - at the time of their vaccines).

Will the country accept a recovery certificate instead??

Sadly, the country won’t accept recovery certs. Even those that do, need to be via the NHS letter and those will only include vaccine info for under 16s! It’s ridiculous. France (which isn’t the country here) now say one vaccine and recovery is OK but the U.K. won’t provide this info via the app (or on the letter) for under 16s.

You are risking your child's health by vaccinating them before recommended time- all for the sake of a holiday? Mind boggles. Sorry, VVBU.
Read medical papers on child myocarditis, please.

@primarium

You are risking your child's health by vaccinating them before recommended time- all for the sake of a holiday? Mind boggles. Sorry, VVBU. Read medical papers on child myocarditis, please.

Why is it the case that many other countries have a 4 week wait then rather than 12? That the U.K. had 4 weeks until 17th Nov? That if she lived with someone vulnerable it would be ok? Are they all irresponsible and risking their children’s health? Or could it be that the balance of risks is so finely balanced that it’s actually not the massively huge risk to a child’s health that you suggest.

I had both ds vax exactly 28 days after covid. They are healthy with no underlying issues. North west. All sites here are doing teens 28 days after covid at walk in centres.

Its 28 days post covid if 12-15 and vulnerable anyway or living with vulnerable. Ask your GP - tell them your dc have contact with vulnerable relatives and they'll likely approve it. My ds were 15 and 13

I didn't lie by the way - everyone i know here had got their kids done 28 days post covid and all since xmas