If you know a healthy adult under 25 who caught Omicron Covid while 2×jabbed, but not boostered...

[LilyPond2]

...how has he/she been?

18-year-old DD is double jabbed, but not boostered. Whilst both very pro-vaccination generally, we are wondering how necessary a booster really is in young, healthy adullts. Interested to hear experiences.

DD(18) caught it just before christmas, was just very tired and loss of appetite for 2 or 3 days, then fine after that. Has booked her booster for as soon as she's allowed.

The ones I know of were all fine. Leaving party at dd's work, 8 of them got it, all

This is a crazy question. A bunch of people on MN may reply saying meh, my child was fine. That doesn't mean yours will be. You could ask the same of the unvaccinated- lots of threads on here with ppl saying they are unvaxed, had Covid, got over it. But some haven't been ok. Do your own risk assessment but not based on a few replies on Mumsnet.

Worth adding if you/she are not anti vaccines (and why are you doing the research for a 25 year old?!) she might want it when "fully vaccinated" for travel means three jabs. I volunteer at a vaccination centre and there a number of young people coming in for first, second or third jabs now because they want to go abroad this Summer.

Sorry 18 year old but still sure she can do her own research.

@LondonMummer

This is a crazy question. A bunch of people on MN may reply saying meh, my child was fine. That doesn't mean yours will be. You could ask the same of the unvaccinated- lots of threads on here with ppl saying they are unvaxed, had Covid, got over it. But some haven't been ok. Do your own risk assessment but not based on a few replies on Mumsnet.

Worth adding if you/she are not anti vaccines (and why are you doing the research for a 25 year old?!) she might want it when "fully vaccinated" for travel means three jabs. I volunteer at a vaccination centre and there a number of young people coming in for first, second or third jabs now because they want to go abroad this Summer.

Disagree that it's a crazy question. If a thread gets a significant number of replies, you quite often do see trends emerge. Re doing other research, I am not aware of any studies that have published conclusions based on real world evidence regarding how necessary a booster actually is in young adults.

Re DD doing her own research, I think it's perfectly normal for 18-year-olds to discuss "life issues" with their parents. Personally, I find the attitude that parenting stops when your child reaches age 18 an odd one. I literally don't know any parents who have taken that approach to parenting.

Re getting vaccinations for summer travel, that could actually be a reason for delaying the booster, as we may well start seeing a situation where countries start looking at the date of your last jab. If they start wanting to see a jab in the last 6 months, getting a jab now could be too early.

Most I've come across have had bad cold symptoms and the others generally have been in either the 'no symptoms at all' or 'feeling really pretty rough' camp, with temperatures. My 2 young adult kids had it 2 weeks ago and one was rough for 3 days, the other for 5 days. Neither very ill but definitely stayed in bed.

Well im not under 25,I am 29 and also overweight. I had the first 2 early in Feb and May due to being a carer for my disabled son! Had to reschedule booster in December as I caught covid.

Despite the long gap between my second dose and getting covid, I was fine. Head cold symptoms with sinus pain but no worse than a usual cold. I was yo doing usual daily activities at home! Normal energy levels until towards the end where j became a bit fatigued but it didn't help that I didn't rest at all and it caught up with me I think.

I would say the risk of severe illness is low given young age.

My 18 year old sister won't even take a single jab! 🤷‍♀️

Not exactly what you've asked, but I know a 19yr old who only 'got round' to getting one vaccination (summer 2021) and tested positive
on 28th Dec.

Presuming Omicron as they live in an area where it was rampant. Had absolutely no symptoms at all and only tested as they were planning to see an elderly relative.

Just wanting to put your mind at rest really - I think the Omicron variant is far milder and youngsters especially will just shake it off (just my opinion based on this one example and stuff I've read/heard).

I always assumed on threads like this, people just like a bit of an anecdote for reassurance (or sowing the seeds of doubt in people's minds of course), so sit on my hands rather than pointing out that the studies designed by actual researchers that inform decision making will by be a far better source of this kind of information. But I see you are actually expecting to be able to draw trends out from a thread on Mumsnet. I despair of the lack of understanding about what research is and why it takes time and resources to do it properly. Perhaps we could close the universities down and just collect anecdotes online instead.

Dbro had a headache for two days. Then his stomach hurt (only eating pizza for three days will do that). He is tried but self isolating in a room away from family with no exercise will do that to.
He only attributes the headache to covid, the rest to isolating and how he is spending isolation. Dm has cooked nice healthy food for him. But pizza goes really well with isolation and being infectious.

@AlexandraEiffel

I always assumed on threads like this, people just like a bit of an anecdote for reassurance (or sowing the seeds of doubt in people's minds of course), so sit on my hands rather than pointing out that the studies designed by actual researchers that inform decision making will by be a far better source of this kind of information. But I see you are actually expecting to be able to draw trends out from a thread on Mumsnet. I despair of the lack of understanding about what research is and why it takes time and resources to do it properly. Perhaps we could close the universities down and just collect anecdotes online instead.

This!! Thank you

@AlexandraEiffel

I always assumed on threads like this, people just like a bit of an anecdote for reassurance (or sowing the seeds of doubt in people's minds of course), so sit on my hands rather than pointing out that the studies designed by actual researchers that inform decision making will by be a far better source of this kind of information. But I see you are actually expecting to be able to draw trends out from a thread on Mumsnet. I despair of the lack of understanding about what research is and why it takes time and resources to do it properly. Perhaps we could close the universities down and just collect anecdotes online instead.

OK @AlexandraEiffel, quote me the real world studies that show that outcomes for 18-year-olds who are double jabbed and exposed to Omicron are significantly worse than those for 18-year-olds who have received a booster.

Incidentally, it was anecdotes from threads on Mumsnet that alerted me to the fact that it was common to experience hours of shivering after the first AZ dose. Glad I had read those threads as otherwise I would have been worried that my reaction to my vaccination meant that something was seriously wrong. Anecdotes can be useful!

@LilyPond2

...how has he/she been?

18-year-old DD is double jabbed, but not boostered. Whilst both very pro-vaccination generally, we are wondering how necessary a booster really is in young, healthy adullts. Interested to hear experiences.

Does she have covid?

I find your question interesting as you ask about how necessary vaccination is, yet she has been vaccinated (albeit without the booster?)

I hope you manage to 'draw the trends' in time for your deadline...

Sorry for vaccination I meant booster

@LilyPond2 absolutely, anecdotes can be helpful. I think I acknowledged that. They're great for all sorts of purposes. I use Mumsnet for lots of purposes where anecdotes are just what is needed. Not so much for 'drawing trends'. For that you need research, preferably by people that have learnt how to do it.

I don't have those studies, why would I? I'm not a public health scientist, it's not my expertise. It would take me years to gain the knowledge and skills to become one. But I am pretty sure the data they've been using to make such decisions is a bit more sophisticated that a Mumsnet thread.

Very very few people under 25 get seriously ill with Covid, vaccinated or not. Just look at the stats.

It is unfortunately very much a disease of old people.

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19

@AlexandraEiffel

I always assumed on threads like this, people just like a bit of an anecdote for reassurance (or sowing the seeds of doubt in people's minds of course), so sit on my hands rather than pointing out that the studies designed by actual researchers that inform decision making will by be a far better source of this kind of information. But I see you are actually expecting to be able to draw trends out from a thread on Mumsnet. I despair of the lack of understanding about what research is and why it takes time and resources to do it properly. Perhaps we could close the universities down and just collect anecdotes online instead.

Yes this.

Asking for anecdotes is not research and googling is not research. Luckily we have the JCVI who assess the research and make recommendations based on that research. I am a researcher but would not suppose to ask for anecdotes and expect to spot accurate trends not reported in the literature.

Anecdotes aren’t needed to know that shivering (chills) are very common after the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine. It is listed as a very common side effect.

It's always been the case that the direct risks for young people are very low, even without vaccination. There may be more risks from long Covid? However the main reason for younger people to be vaccinated is to protect older people rather than for their own benefit, so it depends how selfish or not she is really.

My brother's boyfriend is double jabbed, not boosted yet (was booked but had to cancel) has it, and is fine. Feels like a summer cold.

@elelel DD does not currently have any symptoms of Covid. As she has socialised with friends in the past week, I can't guarantee that she doesn't have it unknowingly!

Re the decision to get vaccinated at all, my understanding is that there is clear evidence from studies that being double jabbed significantly reduces your risk of getting (Delta variant) Covid at all. There have also been some incidents of young unvaccinated people getting seriously ill or even dying from the Delta variant. The Delta variant was the dominant variant in the summer when DD had her first two jabs, so the reasons for having them appeared compelling. However, I am not clear that there have been any studies showing (a) that getting a booster significantly reduces the risk of contracting Omicron Covid compared to someone who received their second jab in the past six months, but hasn't been boosted, or (b) that a booster significantly reduces the severity of symptoms in young adults who had their second jab in the past few months.

[quote hamstersarse]Very very few people under 25 get seriously ill with Covid, vaccinated or not. Just look at the stats.

It is unfortunately very much a disease of old people.

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19[/quote]
You've quoted a FOI request showing median age of death

Yes, death in young adults is very rare from coronavirus infection (though still higher than the risk of death from vaccination)

However this is not the only reason for someone in these age groups to be vaccinated.

@irregularegular

It's always been the case that the direct risks for young people are very low, even without vaccination. There may be more risks from long Covid? However the main reason for younger people to be vaccinated is to protect older people rather than for their own benefit, so it depends how selfish or not she is really.

But now that Omicron is the dominant variant, is there actually any evidence that boostered people are less likely to get Covid than (recently) double vaccinated people? Or are less likely to transmit to others if they do get it?

I'm slightly outside your criteria (29, triple jabbed). I came down with Covid on Monday and today is the first day I've managed to get dressed and properly out of bed. It's felt like proper flu.

Not really sure what point I'm trying to make, except that although it was really unpleasant, it still doesn't count as severely ill - guess I was just unlucky. No idea if the booster made any difference.

But now that Omicron is the dominant variant, is there actually any evidence that boostered people are less likely to get Covid than (recently) double vaccinated people? Or are less likely to transmit to others if they do get it?

Strong evidence on the first point I think, though it would take me a little while to track it down. That is why there has been such a strong push towards boosting since Omicron. The evidence was that two vaccinations gave fairly weak protection but the third increased it enormously.

To be honest, I don't know about specific evidence on transmission and Omicron. It may not have come out yet or I may have missed it. But before to Omicron there was evidence that vaccination reduced transmission so my prior expectation would be that more vaccinations and different variants would work in a similar way broadly speaking.

14yo double jabbed.

We all got it at the same time and he is by far the worst. Ongoing cough all day. I have one also double jabbed and one too young. I’m boostered and H isn’t.

He is my one that is never sick at all, so I was surprised he has it the worst. The one I was most worried about is asymptomatic