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Original poster

So much for herd immunity then.

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2boysand1princess · 06/01/2022 08:33

I now know 12 people personally who have got covid (most likely omricon) again!
Most have caught it after a year or more, but some have caught it within a few months! I’m really shocked at how this new variant is invading any natural immunity.
Scary to think that perhaps in another 6 months time there may be a another new variant that repeats this cycle all over again.
Anyone else feel just totally defeated and feel like no matter what we do (vaccines etc) this is going to be the way of life now?

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MummyPop00 · 06/01/2022 14:15

herd* immunity!

the80sweregreat · 06/01/2022 14:25

Not sure about Herd immunity , but I've just seen on the sky rolling news that bird flu had been discovered now :(
There was an outbreak of that many years ago.
Let's hope this doesn't start to mutate or take hold.

Cornettoninja · 06/01/2022 14:29

@the80sweregreat I wouldn’t worry too much about bird flu right now, I think it’s very much in the zone of ‘keep an eye on it’.

There are always a few outbreaks of bird flu amongst birds (I said earlier there was one reported amongst uk turkeys just before Christmas), this latest report is a tiny more concerning because a human has caught it which is really rare. It’s also been reported that they are very exposed to birds in their day to day life.

Cakeofdoom · 06/01/2022 14:32

Everyone I know that has had what they think is Omicron and other variants have all been triple jabbed , I know quite a few unjabbed and none of those have caught it or had any previous CV infection that has been symptomatic. I don't know why that is.

the80sweregreat · 06/01/2022 14:33

Yes, I guess that it'll be fine , but I'm remember an outbreak ages ago of bird flu and even a vaccine was brought out ? I might be wrong on that one though.

MumbleCrumbs · 06/01/2022 14:33

Bird flu really bothers me. There has been a spate of swan deaths close to my home and it really is horrific to see them, so much so I've stopped walking near the water until it's over.

I very much doubt this one is one we need to worry too much over however, it's being reported as highly unusual and the person infected seems to be someone who worked directly with lots of birds. Still, it's made me uneasy.

Cornettoninja · 06/01/2022 14:44

@the80sweregreat no there isn’t a vaccine for bird flu but we do have antivirals like Tamiflu. I always get swine flu and bird flu mixed up, they were both media favourites in roughly the same time period but it’s swine flu that we had a vaccination for. That was also the one implicated in cases of narcolepsy amongst nhs staff who were given it.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/bird-flu/

the80sweregreat · 06/01/2022 14:46

Swine flu , of course !
Sorry , I know there was controversy about the vaccine and narcolepsy.
The case today on the news was bird flu.

HesterShaw1 · 06/01/2022 15:14

@the80sweregreat

Not sure about Herd immunity , but I've just seen on the sky rolling news that bird flu had been discovered now :( There was an outbreak of that many years ago. Let's hope this doesn't start to mutate or take hold.

With the last two years and the endless news cycle telling us what we should be worrying and panicking about next, I and many people are completely desensitised to it. I absolutely refuse to live my life constantly worrying about illness. I'll keep fit and active and eat sensibly and keep my weight sensible and not take any stupid risks, but I'm not going to constantly panic about new viruses and mutations and so on, no matter what I'm told I should be worrying about.

kittensinthekitchen · 06/01/2022 15:50

@the80sweregreat

Not sure about Herd immunity , but I've just seen on the sky rolling news that bird flu had been discovered now :( There was an outbreak of that many years ago. Let's hope this doesn't start to mutate or take hold.

Not sure if you've just passed that on only partially, or if Sky are reporting incorrectly

bird flu has been identified in a human.

Bird flu outbreaks happen, without major fuss. There was one local to some family of mine just at the end of 2021. Nothing new.

treeflowercat · 06/01/2022 16:04

@herecomesthsun

The biggest risk factor is age though.

You're right, but vaccines have pushed the
more significant risk into the "very frail and old" rather than just the "old"... And to be blunt, we shouldn't be re-configuring and significantly restricting wider society in order to give the very oldest and frailest a few more months of life.

My granny died at 96 from flu a number of years ago... she was extremely frail at that point and, although of course sad, her death would have happened one way or another in the following weeks or months if she hadn't caught that flu at that point. I'm glad, and I'm sure she was glad, that there were no restrictions at the care home she was in that prevented us from visiting which may have given her a few more months of life, but which would have undoubtedly meant those months were an utterly miserable way to end her days.

herecomesthsun · 06/01/2022 16:06

We aren't restricting society though, very much at all.

And if we did restrict It further, it wouldn't be for the old and frail would it?

It would be to keep health and emergency services going, that we all need.

herecomesthsun · 06/01/2022 16:07

Condolences regarding your gran, by the way.

Cornettoninja · 06/01/2022 16:10

@herecomesthsun

We aren't restricting society though, very much at all.

And if we did restrict It further, it wouldn't be for the old and frail would it?

It would be to keep health and emergency services going, that we all need.

This is the crux of it. The government/society care very little about keeping the elderly or terminally ill alive indefinitely, it’s the volume and timescale that’s the problem and the knock on effects of that. It always had been,

treeflowercat · 06/01/2022 16:18

@herecomesthsun

We aren't restricting society though, very much at all.

And if we did restrict It further, it wouldn't be for the old and frail would it?

It would be to keep health and emergency services going, that we all need.

Mandatory 7-10 day isolation for Covid is restricting society substantially and causing significant issues across many sectors. I understand why we don't, but the reason should be for the younger CEV not the very old and frail.

the80sweregreat · 06/01/2022 16:22

It's strange that Boris Johnson said ' let the bodies pile up ' and it'll be the older frailer people in society that will be mostly affected by an ineffectual and broken NHS , but whenever there are calls to legalize euthanasia and a vote on it in parliament , it's always overturned.
Many MPs have shares in care homes and we all know that a diagnoses of dementia is always treated differently to one of cancer or any disease and more money can be obtained this way as people can live with dementia or Alzheimer's for many years.
Yet the right to determine how we would like to live or die is taken away from us.
I appreciate it's a very controversial subject with many arguments , but one that isn't properly addressed either and is constantly put on the back burner.

NearlyAlwaysInsane · 06/01/2022 16:27

@AchillesLastStand

Omicron hasn’t been around for a year. You can catch different variants, like Keir Starmer.

Is Keir a new variant then?

Wallawallakoala · 06/01/2022 16:30

I'm with you. I'm double vaxxed and just tested positive for the second time in 12 months. Much worse symptoms this time. Everyone says this but I've been more careful than normally over the past couple of months and in totally shocked that I got it. DH and DC's all negative

kittensinthekitchen · 06/01/2022 16:32

Didn't the Government also say "Plan B - who do we not save?"

Since you're still under Plan B, and restrictions are being fought against, I'd assume that means people don't really care who isn't saved, anyone is fair game.

Good luck

herecomesthsun · 06/01/2022 16:32

Hmmm, that's a complex ethical issue regarding preservation of life.

Regarding the CEV, the Government really doesn't care about the CEV and it is not moral compassion that has driven the lockdowns, but the need to keep services going.

If there are thousands upon thousands of people all ill at once, and too many bodies for mortuaries to manage, it will make life quite difficult and unpleasant, at least for a while.

The 7 day isolation rule is reasonable if we don't want covid spreading even faster.

Sending a positive nurse back onto a ward, for example, risks further spread in the hospital; so it is liable to make any staffing shortage even worse..

AchillesLastStand · 06/01/2022 17:58

@the80sweregreat

Not sure about Herd immunity , but I've just seen on the sky rolling news that bird flu had been discovered now :( There was an outbreak of that many years ago. Let's hope this doesn't start to mutate or take hold.

Some strains of bird flu have a case fatality rate of 20-40%. Keeping different species of birds together in cages like they do in South East Asian markets is a really bad idea. I remember reading radical geographer’s Mike Davis’ book on bird flu, The Monster at Our Door. I would strongly advise against reading it because it will keep you awake at night.

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