Get rid of all restrictions

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I think it's time for all restrictions to be removed. There has been plenty of time for people to be vaccinated / boosted that want to, those that can't or don't should take their own precautions.

If we test positive then we shouldn't need to isolate, shouldn't need to declare it and should just treat it as a normal cough / cold / illness. If you feel up to going to work, out to the pub, seeing friends or family then do so. Everyone I know who have had it say they feel fine.

Life has been disrupted for far too long, the costs associated are astronomical and will be a crippling debt for generations to come.

*Your views are...simplistic and prone to exagerration (this seems to be a very common problem in the UK).

We will be facing restrictions of varying degrees until at least 2024.

Thats when there is a fairly good chance we will reach a more endemic steady-state in the Pandemic.

Does that help you?*

Given that I never asked for your 'help', and that you presumably have no special expertise whatsoever, why on earth would you believe your uninformed opinions would be of any 'help'?

And do tell us where you live. Maybe one day I could visit and learn from nuanced and sophisticated wisdom, not at all "simplistic and prone to exagerration"? Like yours, misspellings and all?

@IcedPurple

*Your views are...simplistic and prone to exagerration (this seems to be a very common problem in the UK).

We will be facing restrictions of varying degrees until at least 2024.

Thats when there is a fairly good chance we will reach a more endemic steady-state in the Pandemic.

Does that help you?*

Given that I never asked for your 'help', and that you presumably have no special expertise whatsoever, why on earth would you believe your uninformed opinions would be of any 'help'?

And do tell us where you live. Maybe one day I could visit and learn from nuanced and sophisticated wisdom, not at all "simplistic and prone to exagerration"? Like yours, misspellings and all?

Thats just it.

I am an expert in Pandemic modelling.

I can talk about this sort of thing based on many years of experience.

[quote doublemonkey]@WiseUpJanetWeiss Who's administering the monoclonal antibodies?[/quote]
Hospitals. My friend has just had the treatment

*Thats just it.

I am an expert in Pandemic modelling.

I can talk about this sort of thing based on many years of experience.*

Of course.

@Meadowblossom

One of the problems we have in the UK is we have far too many "non-experts" who seem to assign the same weighting to their opinions vs that which comes from actual "experts".

The lack of critical thinking has been absolutely shocking to see because I was educated to a very high level (UK & US), and its very much our populist leaders which have caused this rise in anti-intellectualism.

So no, in this situation I am a bonafide expert.

You are not. So stop pretending like your "opinion" carries the same weight. It doesn't.

Just like I would not pretend to be an expert in 19th century modernist art when discussing the topic with a museum curator.

Is that simple enough for you to understand?

The pandemic doesn't end because you're tired of it.

@GrendelsGrandma

The pandemic doesn't end because you're tired of it.

Someone needs to gently explain this to Johnson I think.

the CEV child [...] told by their paediatrician to isolate, along with their family, during this wave [... /] Because you don't want to wear a mask in supermarkets, take an occasional test [...]

It's not for reason of one person not wearing a mask. It's because of sky high transmission rates. Ask/force everyone to wear a mask — it won't make a jot to that pead's advice right now.

On the other hand, we have scientists beginning to converge upon the risk of overwhelming services being lower. Also Whitty points out that a quick quick would tend to lead to a quick subsidence.

So in a very real way, by your friend not wearing a mask, s/he's leading to the situation becoming much better for the CEV child quicker. Which is surely a good thing, no?

Under 12 yr olds have had zero opportunity to be vaccinated. We have no idea how soon they will be able to be vaccinated.

a quick quick? no... a quick rise...

You could be anyone Bambina. Anyone at all. As could any one of us. You don’t know anything about any person on here - only what they tell you and what they tell you could be completely made up…

Plus I’m naturally suspicious of anyone who bigs themselves up in any setting.

Pre covid, people who were immunosuppressed/vulnerable had to weigh up their risks about mixing and possibly contracting a winter virus. It was no doubt miserable and hugely disruptive but they took responsibility for their own health choices. They didn’t expect the whole of society to put their lives on hold to accommodate them.

We can’t keep restrictions in place any longer. My 88 YO DM and 90 YO MIL both died in 2020. They were both frail. One died of dementia, the other of a lower respiratory infection. If they hadn’t died of these first, I’m absolutely positive they would have succumbed to covid. Sadly, we have to die of something. Most elderly people do. Ideally, we’d all like to fall asleep in our favourite armchair but it’s unlikely. Our bodies are only designed to last a finite time. We seem unable to accept that we can only ‘save’ the elderly for a short time and quite often at a huge cost to their remaining quality of life.

This is exactly why doctors are very keen to ensure that DNRs are in place once you reach a certain age.

@2389Champ

Pre covid, people who were immunosuppressed/vulnerable had to weigh up their risks about mixing and possibly contracting a winter virus. It was no doubt miserable and hugely disruptive but they took responsibility for their own health choices. They didn’t expect the whole of society to put their lives on hold to accommodate them.

We can’t keep restrictions in place any longer. My 88 YO DM and 90 YO MIL both died in 2020. They were both frail. One died of dementia, the other of a lower respiratory infection. If they hadn’t died of these first, I’m absolutely positive they would have succumbed to covid. Sadly, we have to die of something. Most elderly people do. Ideally, we’d all like to fall asleep in our favourite armchair but it’s unlikely. Our bodies are only designed to last a finite time. We seem unable to accept that we can only ‘save’ the elderly for a short time and quite often at a huge cost to their remaining quality of life.

This is exactly why doctors are very keen to ensure that DNRs are in place once you reach a certain age.

Which is great but the vulnerable aren't all elderly I'm not saying anything about restrictions, just that at 37 I don't want to die from covid when my lifespan is generally normal

@fluffi

Disagree. Just because covid is mild for some people, doesn't mean people who feel "ok" or are asymptomatic should be able to give it to others who may not be as fortunate even after triple jabs. Long covid and the organ damage caused by covid are horrid to live with (fortunately you don't risk those as a result of the common cold.)

Not actually true, my husband had post viral fatigue for six months in 2016 following a "normal" mild cold. So exactly the same thing as long Covid.

Is that simple enough for you to understand?

Sorry, no. Best to write it in block capitals and in words of no more than 5 letters. We can't all compete with your searing intellect.

And whether or not you are an 'expert', you sound deeply unpleasant. I know any number of people who were "educated to a very high level", as indeed I am myself, but we don't feel the need to boast about our alleged credentials under a pseudonym on a parenting website. That's just odd.

@Gingerbreadrules

Yes a small % of people react badly to colds, but it is about how many people are affected. Covid affects far more people in long lasting ways, many of which are serious.

I am an expert in Pandemic modelling

Withouth evidence I'm not going to believe that claim. You've not said anything that demonstrates any particular expertise beyond telling other people that your opinion carries more weight than theirs. But again, anyone could claim that.
There were a hell of a lot of ICU nurses on here at one point in 2020 as well I seem to recall.

@IcedPurple

Is that simple enough for you to understand?

Sorry, no. Best to write it in block capitals and in words of no more than 5 letters. We can't all compete with your searing intellect.

And whether or not you are an 'expert', you sound deeply unpleasant. I know any number of people who were "educated to a very high level", as indeed I am myself, but we don't feel the need to boast about our alleged credentials under a pseudonym on a parenting website. That's just odd.

You were the one who asked them what their credentials were! You can't have it both ways. Why bring up your own education if it doesn't matter?

If you have decent arguments to make to challenge the points that have been set out by the other poster, why not make them?

@littlepeas

You could be anyone Bambina. Anyone at all. As could any one of us. You don’t know anything about any person on here - only what they tell you and what they tell you could be completely made up…

Plus I’m naturally suspicious of anyone who bigs themselves up in any setting.

FTR, I am an Actuary who models this stuff for a living.

There is a HUGE difference between having an "opinion" based on non-expert knowledge (this is totally fine by the way as we all start this way), and having an aggressively ignorant opinion.

What we have in the UK now is a critical mass of aggresively ignorant opinions, with these folks seemimg hell bent on ignoring reality.

I gave up after months and months of patiently explaining what is going on in the simplest terms.

I want no part in the coming problems (which are going to be self-inflicted), which is why took my family (and 2 y/o) out of the UK on the 24th for at least 1 month.

I did my part and my own conscience is clear.

If you have decent arguments to make to challenge the points that have been set out by the other poster, why not make them?

Tbf I didn't notice the other poster in question making any points particularly, beyond telling us they were more highly and relevantly educated.

You were the one who asked them what their credentials were!

I certainly did not ask them that.

For someone who spends so much time telling others they are 'stupid' for disagreeing with you, you might be better off taking the time to actually read what people say. You've had to backtrack several times already on this thread.

FTR, I am an Actuary who models this stuff for a living

So? One of my best friends is an actuary and has a completely opposing viewpoint to you. I have a stats degree and likewise. I can't believe you think you're som much more highly educated than everyone else just because you're an actuary. That's actually funny.

Not being able to work and earn anything for up to 50 days if all 5 of us catch it consecutively and even worse if we are symptomless or mildly ill.**

Surely each person is only unable to work while they themselves are ill. The other 4 members of the household carry on working, and the infected person returns to work after 7 days/as soon as they are able. No one should be off for 50 days, unless they become seriously ill- in which case the lack of work isn't the top priority.

@IcedPurple

You were the one who asked them what their credentials were!

I certainly did not ask them that.

For someone who spends so much time telling others they are 'stupid' for disagreeing with you, you might be better off taking the time to actually read what people say. You've had to backtrack several times already on this thread.

I have never said people are stupid for not agreeing with me

The stupidity is not even trying to understand the scientific facts.