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Us For Them - how can so many people can be so blinkered and selfish

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sweetpaws · 19/12/2021 13:36

I joined the Us For Them facebook group months ago last year when they first set it up, just to see what it was about. I hid the group pretty soon after joining it and have ignored it ever since until now as we're stuck in the house as my eldest has caught covid at school (we've not been anywhere else) she's pretty poorly, we can't see our family who live a very long drive away at the opposite end of the country, are elderly with health conditions and vulnerable, our Christmas plans are cancelled, I'm gutted, we're all gutted.

Anyway, I've just been back to have a look at the Us For Them facebook group and I can totally see how the country is in the situation it's in and exactly who is responsible for the massive increase in cases in school age groups.

I cannot believe so many people can be so selfish - the news feed is full of people railing against masks, vaccines, testing - they're getting all high and mighty about how dare the school ask that a child do an LFT before going to school if a family member has covid, even events, scout groups etc, totally up in arms about it, refusing to test, lying about having tested, even members advocating running tests under the tap to fake negative tests. I am so angry, I feel like I could cry.

Do they not realise the whole point of testing and masks was to prevent the very situation we're now in - yet they're complaining about schools potentially closing/not opening in Jan, events being cancelled, yet they're refusing to do the very small personal sacrifices that would help keep all of these things open - I just feel so angry with them, the group membership is huge. They are causing the very thing they want to prevent, how can they not see that?

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ssd · 19/12/2021 13:41

Because they are nuts and probably get all their info from fb

mrshoho · 19/12/2021 13:44

School staff did try but not enough people were interested unfortunately.

InTheMiddle23 · 19/12/2021 13:49

I think it's a great group (I follow on Twitter rather than fb).

LostThePot · 19/12/2021 13:51

They’re batshit.

Don’t know how they can’t see that they’re contributing to the mess we’re currently in.

noblegiraffe · 19/12/2021 13:55

They're a shitty bunch of frauds. Masquerading as a group of parents concerned about kids when actually they are just an arm of the political anti-lockdown lobbying group HART.

They only care about kids when they can use them to argue against covid measures. This has become increasingly tenuous and their latest twitter posts about vaccine passports 'because they want the country to be a democracy for their children' just shows what their real agenda is.

If they wanted schools open they'd be petitioning for mitigation measures to keep them open. Instead their petitions are about preventing under 18s from being able to access the vaccine.

They are sickening.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 19/12/2021 13:57

Utter knobs the lot of them.

refraction · 19/12/2021 13:59

They are an absolute disgrace. Claim to be for children but are actually for themselves.
Disgusting

Itisasecret · 19/12/2021 14:00

Their latest posts come across as quite unhinged. It’s also not about the children, never has been.

Appuskidu · 19/12/2021 14:00

Yep-and ironically whilst you have MPs like this who read out Us4Them petitions against vaccinations in parliament, who have meetings with the Ed secretary about removing masks, schools are even more likely to close!

MrsHamlet · 19/12/2021 14:01

@InTheMiddle23

I think it's a great group (I follow on Twitter rather than fb).
I've got to ask... why are they great?
motherrunner · 19/12/2021 14:01

@noblegiraffe

They're a shitty bunch of frauds. Masquerading as a group of parents concerned about kids when actually they are just an arm of the political anti-lockdown lobbying group HART.

They only care about kids when they can use them to argue against covid measures. This has become increasingly tenuous and their latest twitter posts about vaccine passports 'because they want the country to be a democracy for their children' just shows what their real agenda is.

If they wanted schools open they'd be petitioning for mitigation measures to keep them open. Instead their petitions are about preventing under 18s from being able to access the vaccine.

They are sickening.

Absolutely.
motherrunner · 19/12/2021 14:02

@InTheMiddle23

I think it's a great group (I follow on Twitter rather than fb).
Erm, how? Why? What?!
Appuskidu · 19/12/2021 14:02

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Us For Them - how can so many people can be so blinkered and selfish
Piggyinblankets · 19/12/2021 14:04

The group membership isn't as big as you think, OP. I'm on there, you're on there. Many people are on there just to see what they are up to to in the world of batshittery.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 19/12/2021 14:06

Dreadful people who have made a huge contribution to the problems experienced in schools this term. Their actions really have led to school closures and supervision rather than education.. Thank goodness you reevaluated your support, OP.

@InTheMiddle23
Can you explain why you think they are ‘great’?

Popcornriver · 19/12/2021 14:08

They're crazy. It's all get back to normal, we have to learn to live with it. But they oppose any measure that might help. Apparently whole school assemblies and indoor PE are required for the mental health of all children. Surprisingly many of them are also antivax so I guess live with it/get back to normal means crack on as usual it's OK because it's other people that are dying Hmm

Popcornriver · 19/12/2021 14:09

Agree with the poster that said their actions and shouts have led to closures. Keep the schools open but let's get ventilation in classes and go back to bubbles so children are overall less exposed. We wouldn't see as many outbreaks.

MrsHamlet · 19/12/2021 14:13

We have an us for them parent.
Kids wanted to wear masks but father made a huge fandango about it.
Covid is made up, apparently.
Wouldn't agree to LFT test them, sent them in with symptoms, wouldn't collect them, wouldn't PCR them.
In the end mum got one of them tested. It was covid. One of the kids was off for substantially more than ten days.

BitterTits · 19/12/2021 14:23

I would say that Us4Them took their inspiration from the vitriol against teachers on Mumsnet, during the first lockdown. I asked MN repeatedly to exercise their duty of care in addressing the hatred being spewed, but was ignored.

Appuskidu · 19/12/2021 14:24

If schools do close again, Us4Them will be massively to blame. I don’t know what hold they have on the government but they seem to be very influential.

If schools are ignored and denied basic risk mitigations though, January-March will be horrible again.

MargaretThursday · 19/12/2021 14:24

I've gradually come to the realisation over the last year/18 months that the majority of people are self-centred and lacking in common sense and think their view is the only possible one.

People who shout about no lockdowns because of the "vulnerable children" who will be kept at home, have not given a moment's thought to the vulnerable children who are having to be kept at home in the current climate because they are at risk of contracting covid. It is using that to manipulate the situation rather than genuine care, otherwise they would be pressing for measures in schools to reduce spread which would mean both sets of vulnerable children could attend.

People leap on anything that they think proves their point. Last night I was on a fb group and someone posted-totally tongue in cheek- "cases are lower today than yesterday, we must be over the peak, hurrah!".
First response within minutes. "That's amazing news, thank you". They got very stroppy when it was fairly gently pointed out to them that one day does not a trend make, and have posted several times that as the peak is definitely going to happen on 27th December (which tbf one of the models suggest) so there is no need to do anything.

The attitude on here of we shouldn't try to suppress covid-those who die from it were going to die soon anyway is at best ignorant.
It's not nice to know that a fair proportion of MN considers anyone who counts as CV as expendable.

minipie · 19/12/2021 14:26

It’s a great shame because keeping schools open is really really important (IMO) and they are giving that cause a bad name by linking it to all sorts of other bullshit.

noblegiraffe · 19/12/2021 14:40

@BitterTits

I would say that Us4Them took their inspiration from the vitriol against teachers on Mumsnet, during the first lockdown. I asked MN repeatedly to exercise their duty of care in addressing the hatred being spewed, but was ignored.
Us4Them were responsible for a lot of vitriol against teachers on MN. I remember creating a 'how to spot U4T' checklist in summer 2020 because they were all posting the same shitty stuff.

They're still here, but nowhere near as prolifically.

BitterTits · 19/12/2021 14:57

True @noble. I remember feeling utterly embattled every time I visited and still have to stay away from school threads.

mrshoho · 19/12/2021 14:59

Was hoping @InTheMiddle23 had come back to expand on why they think they are a great group.

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