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Original poster

To think the Gov’t are ‘letting it rip’

131 replies

Tillsforthrills · 17/12/2021 07:26

The rules that double jabbed household members of a positive case don’t need to isolate when more and more people are being reinfected even with boosters.

The rule that children don’t need to SI if their parents have it: spreading to teachers, early years workers and their families as well as their peers.

If they truly wanted to halt the spread, they would not have those ridiculous rules.

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Blubells · 17/12/2021 08:52

Let it rip should be replaced with living with the virus

Exactly this!

RichTeaRichTea · 17/12/2021 08:53

[quote Tillsforthrills]@MintJulia

Lots of young children still attending nursery this week. With parents with positive cases or siblings at home.[/quote]
Is this happening a lot?

Blubells · 17/12/2021 08:54

I’d actually like to see isolating for 10 days for mild positive cases binned off too.

We don't have to isolate for 10 days with a cold? Or flu? Many don't isolate at all with a mild cold.

Fendidntdrake · 17/12/2021 08:54

@ThesecondLEM
I'm so sorry for your loss.
This will end Flowers

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Tillsforthrills · 17/12/2021 08:58

@RichTeaRichTea

Do you think it’s not? According to my sisters nursery, yes it is. Lots of kids in nursery with positive parents or siblings at home. And they’re very nervous about being able to spend Christmas with their families.

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the80sweregreat · 17/12/2021 09:02

It has to be ten days apparently, even though it was 14 days back in March 2020.
I was flamed for suggesting a five or six day isolation period instead.
It's these isolation rules that also cause problems even if they are needed ( despite three jabs )

RichTeaRichTea · 17/12/2021 09:04

[quote Tillsforthrills]@RichTeaRichTea

Do you think it’s not? According to my sisters nursery, yes it is. Lots of kids in nursery with positive parents or siblings at home. And they’re very nervous about being able to spend Christmas with their families.[/quote]
Not at my children’s nursery, no (it’s on-site at one of my workplaces so I know both staff and other parents as colleagues). So here we have samples of one each contradicting each other, which says very little on a general basis

HelloMissus · 17/12/2021 09:05

Surprised there’s anything left to let rip since MN has been saying this since June.

twelly · 17/12/2021 09:07

I don't think they are - its just such a muddle. Personally I have always thought that either you let it run through the country or you go for zero tolerance, the problem here has been its neither. The current approach is just confusion and quite devisive as we have regulations but be are also being advised by the CMO to be more cautious.

I personally think we should just let it run its course. I do not like the constant scare mongering which has seen people being paranoid and pitting people against each other. We don't ask people who have a cold, the flu or norivirus to isolate for 10 days. Clearly with norivirus actions are taken where they hit places like hotels or schools etc

I feel we need to get on with our lives - there will be more deaths through other diseases, poor health due to the poverty the lockdowns which will lead to early deaths. An increase in child cruelty, poor mental health leading to long term issues a huge number of mostly young people (but all ages impacted) - which will impact upon their life chances, life span and quality of life. I am sorry that the virus has a bigger impact upon the elderly and those who are vulnerable but we simply cannot continue to ruin the lives of so many people, if they need to isolate that is their decision We locked down the country before, now is the time to live and look forward.

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Tillsforthrills · 17/12/2021 09:48

@RichTeaRichTea. Yes I’m sure lots of people are mysteriously immune such as in your nursery. You might find it’s not the case in the next week or so.

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RichTeaRichTea · 17/12/2021 09:52

Mysteriously immune, or not sending children in when they have positive household members? I am talking about the latter (which is our nursery rule). You seem rather strange to be wishing for people to be breaking the rules at a nursery you don’t even know, just to be proved right. In the case of this nursery, I know which parents/siblings are positive because I work with them, and I know they aren’t sending their children in. I am sure in your sister’s nursery and others parents are sending children in, but I don’t know their circumstances or their nursery rules. I don’t doubt your word, why doubt mine? Neither of us has a clue what is happening beyond these two nurseries.

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Tillsforthrills · 17/12/2021 09:55

@RichTeaRichTea

Please don’t twist my words to fit your rather mean interpretation.

You thought that because it isn’t the case so far at your nursery that the situation is somehow 50/50 based on our two experiences. Judging from infections spiralling, I’d say that’s optimistic of you.

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RichTeaRichTea · 17/12/2021 09:55

I avoid making statements like “everyone is doing XYZ” when I have no idea whether it’s the case on a general basis. That’s why I question when others do - maybe they have wider data that I’m not aware of - do you, OP?

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Tillsforthrills · 17/12/2021 09:56

Except for in this case you have generalised massively based on your work place nursery.

The surge is happening now, it’s just common sense really and hard data will emerge in case the current situation doesn’t convince you.

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RichTeaRichTea · 17/12/2021 09:56

I haven’t said it’s 50/50. That is you misinterpreting. I have said that neither of us know what the situation is, because we don’t actually know other than having experience of one nursery each.

RichTeaRichTea · 17/12/2021 09:58

“ hard data will emerge in case the current situation doesn’t convince you”

I don’t need convincing about surges. I am reserving judgement specifically about what you said about parents generally and nurseries, because I don’t have data for that right now, and nor do you.

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Tillsforthrills · 17/12/2021 09:58

Here you go. Says ‘very little based generally’ a case of mine and of yours, which you have based on your private work based nursery.

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Tillsforthrills · 17/12/2021 09:59

I haven’t said it as fact, it’s common sense based on the surge right now and frankly your work based nursery won’t represent many schools or larger nurseries.

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Octavia174 · 17/12/2021 10:03

@MarshaBradyo

Op huge amounts of healthcare staff will be off as a positive

Include close contacts and how many will be there to treat people?

The it’s economy first accusation is a superficial idea, not to mention deeply flawed that it shouldn’t count, look at the what will happen with much reduced services across the board

We will get that with millions infected in any case.

It seems remarkably stupid to allow a virus of which we know little, to become so endemic.
So why are superspreading events going ahead - sports and nightclubs.

We have way higher infection rates then other european countries, which was true of Delta too.

why?

RichTeaRichTea · 17/12/2021 10:04

No I agree that it doesn’t, but I work across a number of education and healthcare settings and there are different drivers for each community, and my husband is a teacher. I think making general statements about how parents of nursery aged children are behaving is unhelpful.

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Tillsforthrills · 17/12/2021 10:06

@RichTeaRichTea

Sorry how do you mean ‘general statements about parents of nursery children?”

My post is about the governments rules re SI

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MarshaBradyo · 17/12/2021 10:11

It seems remarkably stupid to allow a virus of which we know little, to become so endemic.

How will you stop this?

Octavia174 · 17/12/2021 10:18

@MarshaBradyo

It seems remarkably stupid to allow a virus of which we know little, to become so endemic.

How will you stop this?

You probably cannot now, we knew very quickly in 2020 that events like the Football, Rugby and Cheltenham spread Alpha, so why, when we first knew about Omicron and its far higher transmissibility, were nightclubs and sports all allowed to go ahead?
AchillesLastStand · 17/12/2021 10:20

The short answer is there are two scenarios:

The government does nothing and ‘let the virus rip’/we live with it/whatever terminology you wish to use.

The government shuts everything to control transmission.

Omicron is so transmissible there is no middle way. Which direction the government goes in will depend on hospital admissions. They won’t have data on that until the week between Christmas and New Year according to Chris Whitty. Until then everything is up in the air.

minipie · 17/12/2021 10:24

The fact is that there will be loads of people wandering around with covid who don’t know or don’t know yet - because they are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic but infectious. Children and vaccinated people especially are likely to have no or few symptoms.

Stricter isolation rules would keep a few more infectious people home but frankly would still just be chopping off the tip of an iceberg. And would cause much more disruption to school, workplaces etc.