Alternative approach

[Suranjeep]

Instead of all this kung flu fighting, let’s just sit back and let ‘er rip

Health Secretary suggesting a million cases a day soon, doubling every 2 days well soon find out. Won’t take long to infect everyone anyway

@Suranjeep

Health Secretary suggesting a million cases a day soon, doubling every 2 days well soon find out. Won’t take long to infect everyone anyway

It’s awful and fascinating at the same time. People will read about this as history in the future and we don’t know how it all ends (sorry if that sounds morbid).

I think regardless of vax status, or if double or triple jabbed, it is going to 'rip through' anyway. For the vast majority of people it will be mild (symptoms akin to a cold) so surely after that most people will have immunity meaning no further jabs? I hope this is the case anyway! No point in getting a fourth jab if you've had Covid by that point.

New vaccine escaping variant

@Suranjeep

They can have a vaccine every month

And you will organise that how OP? You got a plan? Got the vaccines, the vaccinators, the volunteers, the infrastructure, the super-efficient appointments system and the droves and droves of people who are going to meekly take a job a month on your say so? Ok then.

@bluetongue

I’m curious to know when the peak of cases would occur at the current rate? We all remember the flatten he curve diagrams from the beginning of the pandemic. Does a more contagious variant make a very tall but very skinny curve?

Probably yes

@heldinadream it would be less of a shit show than trying to vaccine the whole population every three months.

[quote Suranjeep]@heldinadream it would be less of a shit show than trying to vaccine the whole population every three months.[/quote]
Are you a Dr? Scientist? Vaccine expert? Public health official?
Are you?

Yes are you.

Do you realise that some hospital trusts as of yesterday cancelled everything that wasn’t life or limb saving? All surgeries and appointments and staff were told to go vaccinate instead? To use their time where they read and write hospital letters to go an vaccinate? To cancel their leave to do so? As that’s the only thing going to save people now. That they’re facing a genuine people dying in the car park of non covid things due to lack of staff and treatment

Couldn't agree more. It's endemic now. There was never any point in trying to "control" a virus. Of course I am desperately sorry for CEV. But...the reality is that society cannot shut down for the few. Harsh, but realistic.

I don't know about others, but I'd like to be able to buy food after xmas, get items from a pharmacy, get my boiler repaired if it breaks down, be in a position to received emergency treatment in hospital etc. If most of the country are down with it around that time, then nothing will be operating.

Also, none of us know how covid will affect us. I'm fit, healthy, not overweight but have had pneumonia twice, it isn't pleasant struggling to get enough air in and that action alone causes pain. I'm sure I wouldn't have survived it it I didn't have treatment and they'd be no chance of that if half the medical population are off with covid.

@Suranjeep

Yes are you.

Care to expand on that? What are your qualifications OP?

@Mojoj

Couldn't agree more. It's endemic now. There was never any point in trying to "control" a virus. Of course I am desperately sorry for CEV. But...the reality is that society cannot shut down for the few. Harsh, but realistic.

Nobody is asking 'society to shut down for the few'. Just don't force us to go into work in say, retail or schools or public transport when we have no vaccine protection. Put proper financial/practical support in place, which would be far cheaper and less disruptive than full lockdown for everyone. Then yes, let everyone else crack on. I've no wish for my vulnerability to be the cause of everyone else's loss of livelihood/MH issues. Just as long as CEV people aren't overlooked and left to crack on alone.

And it's not just 'the few' anyway. There are millions of people in the UK who are immunosuppressed, for example. While we always had to be careful with infections, pre-Covid we were just like you - work, social life, going to the supermarket, caring for DC, going to gigs. I'm so done with this idea that CEV people are all old and frail and would die soon anyway. I've been on immunosuppressant drugs on and off since I was 34 with a 9yo DD - I just happen to have an autoimmune condition which needs drugs to control it.

Your comment is definitely harsh, but realistic? No.

I think omicron has forced this to a certain extent

There will be a drop in demand etc but the old approaches won’t be as useful

It is happening already. A January lockdown would be too late. I'd rather just get it and get it over with, I'm not CEV though.

@TheVampiresWife I always find your posts and POV as a CEV person interesting. I agree with you. You should have the proper support in place.

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@TheVampiresWife I always find your posts and POV as a CEV person interesting. I agree with you. You should have the proper support in place.[/quote]
Lockdown/covid worry sent me to a very, very dark place last year/earlier this year. I was extremely unwell and was self harming for the first time in decades, and at several points I was in severe crisis. So I know the toll it all takes and how much worse it must be for those who have lost livelihoods, suffered bereavement in lockdown, had to homeschool and so on. I don't think we should ever, ever go back to that.

If there was proper support in place for those who were likely to become very unwell (furlough, help with grocery deliveries and so on - sort of shielding lite, I suppose, but not as draconian as shielding) and for members of their households, there might not need to be.

I don't want restrictions for all. Just support for those who need it (or want it - not all CEV do, and that's absolutely their choice). Nobody should have to choose between going to work and dying - but equally nobody should have to stay at home, lose everything and have their MH completely fucked in order to protect what is for many a sort of nebulous idea of vulnerable people. Enough sacrifices already.

Omicron is indeed forcing this situation as it is spreading so quickly that everyone will eventually get infected.

It's sad but unfortunately true.

It is happening already. A January lockdown would be too late.

This.

I think the Government understands this and is expecting the peak within the next couple of weeks.

It pretty much is.
Hopefully hospitalisations won’t be too high and then we should just carry on. No more restrictions.