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Schools - why are they doing this?

744 replies

Scrooge89 · 16/12/2021 07:14

Why are the media preparing us for school closures? They simply can’t do this to us…

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-59673271

Not to my children. My youngest struggled so much at home and was one of the 25% who couldn’t go to school (although I saw how much some people fudged the key worker card I may have to do it).

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motherrunner · 17/12/2021 10:10

@TheHoneyBadger

Thank god we do it for our students not their parents because the kind of attitudes you see on here towards teachers would definitely not keep the already short number of teachers in role or attract quality candidates to the profession.

Thankfully most parents in real life are so much nicer than the very vocal and entitled minority who fill so much space on mn. I should know, I'm a parent myself and I get to read the emails of and have phonecalls with parents (generally of the most challenging students) on a regular basis and the vast majority are nothing like the vocal ones on here.

Our HT regularly shares with us the emails from parents thanking us for all we've done to keep their kids in school, to accommodate kids with very challenging needs, to support and keep in touch with students who are off due to covid etc.

Our students too for the most part, even most of the children of the more challenging parents, are polite and express gratitude. I get to share a fairly warm and amusing and engaging relationship with the majority of my classes despite having to teach them, administer discipline, introduce and enforce standards and expectations that in some cases they only encounter in school etc. Even after a lesson of nagging and moaning and having to give out a few warnings many will still say thanks Miss, have a nice day Miss. Many of them know that the nagging and moaning and pushing means we actually give a shit. They're also capable of recognising that sometimes we're in there sick and knackered when we should probably be in bed but still turning up for them and giving them 100% of our attention and energy and bothering to nag and moan.

We work on a restorative model. Not always popular with teachers I know and with good reasons sometimes but we're committed to it and for me personally that means going out of my way to try and build relationships even with kids who've behaved in ways that in normal life would see them sacked, ostracised and potentially even prosecuted. And it works a lot of the time. It means I seek out and spend time with kids you'd cross the street to avoid or write off with a few choice adjectives.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even the most challenged of our students (think witnessing domestic physical and sexual violence from an early age, never having developed impulse control, never having had emotional regulation modelled to them and instead only having seen shouting and screaming like toddlers from the adults in their lives prior to school) demonstrate more capacity for basic empathy and ability to recognise that other people have needs too than some of the parent posters on here.

Those posters will also be the ones banging on about how their child must be in school and manipulatively citing the 'vulnerable' kids whilst not actually giving a damn about those kids or the toll that it takes on teachers to have to take care of those kids, know their circumstances and worse still send them home to environments that we KNOW are not really safe let alone good despite a million safeguarding alerts and reports that we have submitted collectively and sleepless nights knowing we've done everything we can do but the child is still being left in an abusive environment.

They'll then also cynically use the death of one of those children for their Us4Ourselves agenda to show how schools must stay open as if that child would be alive if it wasn't for lockdowns. They'll ignore the fact that child had a school place and should have been in school and teachers reported to the authorities that they weren't and that they were seriously concerned. Not because they care about that child or the thousands like them who we know are in danger but can't get anyone to do anything about other than praising us on an ofsted report for providing an opportunity for them to come to breakfast club and give them a hot chocolate and a slice of toast in the morning but because they're a convenient pawn.

We are apparently lazy, lefty, workshy, shit at our jobs, sunbathing in the garden, gin swilling, overpaid, have too many holidays, hysterical because we don't want to be packed into an unventilated building with a massive unvaccinated population who clearly ARE a massive breeding pool for infections in a pandemic despite gaslighting and no apologies when that gaslighting was proved untrue, lying, doom mongering and disposable blob. Yet they are strangely keen for us to have their children.

I can't imagine why we either can't recruit trainees or end up recruiting absolutely unfit for the job recruits via private goverments mates companies that only give a shit about the commission.

As I say, fortunately we do it for the kids not the public. The public telling us we should lose our holidays to sit in lockdown in January when we're not allowed to go anywhere and then work through summer can gtf. Trust me the kids don't want that either. Not that these people generally give a damn what kids want.

I really have to hope that there are reasonable decent parents and people who are the silent lurking majority on these threads and who do genuinely give a shit about kids and know that it's not the teachers trying to hold things together on a shoe string that deserve their angst. I'm told there are countries where teachers are actually appreciated and held in high esteem.

Absolutely right @TheHoneyBadger.

Wonderful written and oh so true.

CarrieBlue · 17/12/2021 10:32

@TheHoneyBadger

Thank you. A million times thank you.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 17/12/2021 10:52

@TheHoneyBadger

Thank god we do it for our students not their parents because the kind of attitudes you see on here towards teachers would definitely not keep the already short number of teachers in role or attract quality candidates to the profession.

Thankfully most parents in real life are so much nicer than the very vocal and entitled minority who fill so much space on mn. I should know, I'm a parent myself and I get to read the emails of and have phonecalls with parents (generally of the most challenging students) on a regular basis and the vast majority are nothing like the vocal ones on here.

Our HT regularly shares with us the emails from parents thanking us for all we've done to keep their kids in school, to accommodate kids with very challenging needs, to support and keep in touch with students who are off due to covid etc.

Our students too for the most part, even most of the children of the more challenging parents, are polite and express gratitude. I get to share a fairly warm and amusing and engaging relationship with the majority of my classes despite having to teach them, administer discipline, introduce and enforce standards and expectations that in some cases they only encounter in school etc. Even after a lesson of nagging and moaning and having to give out a few warnings many will still say thanks Miss, have a nice day Miss. Many of them know that the nagging and moaning and pushing means we actually give a shit. They're also capable of recognising that sometimes we're in there sick and knackered when we should probably be in bed but still turning up for them and giving them 100% of our attention and energy and bothering to nag and moan.

We work on a restorative model. Not always popular with teachers I know and with good reasons sometimes but we're committed to it and for me personally that means going out of my way to try and build relationships even with kids who've behaved in ways that in normal life would see them sacked, ostracised and potentially even prosecuted. And it works a lot of the time. It means I seek out and spend time with kids you'd cross the street to avoid or write off with a few choice adjectives.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even the most challenged of our students (think witnessing domestic physical and sexual violence from an early age, never having developed impulse control, never having had emotional regulation modelled to them and instead only having seen shouting and screaming like toddlers from the adults in their lives prior to school) demonstrate more capacity for basic empathy and ability to recognise that other people have needs too than some of the parent posters on here.

Those posters will also be the ones banging on about how their child must be in school and manipulatively citing the 'vulnerable' kids whilst not actually giving a damn about those kids or the toll that it takes on teachers to have to take care of those kids, know their circumstances and worse still send them home to environments that we KNOW are not really safe let alone good despite a million safeguarding alerts and reports that we have submitted collectively and sleepless nights knowing we've done everything we can do but the child is still being left in an abusive environment.

They'll then also cynically use the death of one of those children for their Us4Ourselves agenda to show how schools must stay open as if that child would be alive if it wasn't for lockdowns. They'll ignore the fact that child had a school place and should have been in school and teachers reported to the authorities that they weren't and that they were seriously concerned. Not because they care about that child or the thousands like them who we know are in danger but can't get anyone to do anything about other than praising us on an ofsted report for providing an opportunity for them to come to breakfast club and give them a hot chocolate and a slice of toast in the morning but because they're a convenient pawn.

We are apparently lazy, lefty, workshy, shit at our jobs, sunbathing in the garden, gin swilling, overpaid, have too many holidays, hysterical because we don't want to be packed into an unventilated building with a massive unvaccinated population who clearly ARE a massive breeding pool for infections in a pandemic despite gaslighting and no apologies when that gaslighting was proved untrue, lying, doom mongering and disposable blob. Yet they are strangely keen for us to have their children.

I can't imagine why we either can't recruit trainees or end up recruiting absolutely unfit for the job recruits via private goverments mates companies that only give a shit about the commission.

As I say, fortunately we do it for the kids not the public. The public telling us we should lose our holidays to sit in lockdown in January when we're not allowed to go anywhere and then work through summer can gtf. Trust me the kids don't want that either. Not that these people generally give a damn what kids want.

I really have to hope that there are reasonable decent parents and people who are the silent lurking majority on these threads and who do genuinely give a shit about kids and know that it's not the teachers trying to hold things together on a shoe string that deserve their angst. I'm told there are countries where teachers are actually appreciated and held in high esteem.

Bravo!
MabelsApron · 17/12/2021 10:58

@TheHoneyBadger

Thank god we do it for our students not their parents because the kind of attitudes you see on here towards teachers would definitely not keep the already short number of teachers in role or attract quality candidates to the profession.

Thankfully most parents in real life are so much nicer than the very vocal and entitled minority who fill so much space on mn. I should know, I'm a parent myself and I get to read the emails of and have phonecalls with parents (generally of the most challenging students) on a regular basis and the vast majority are nothing like the vocal ones on here.

Our HT regularly shares with us the emails from parents thanking us for all we've done to keep their kids in school, to accommodate kids with very challenging needs, to support and keep in touch with students who are off due to covid etc.

Our students too for the most part, even most of the children of the more challenging parents, are polite and express gratitude. I get to share a fairly warm and amusing and engaging relationship with the majority of my classes despite having to teach them, administer discipline, introduce and enforce standards and expectations that in some cases they only encounter in school etc. Even after a lesson of nagging and moaning and having to give out a few warnings many will still say thanks Miss, have a nice day Miss. Many of them know that the nagging and moaning and pushing means we actually give a shit. They're also capable of recognising that sometimes we're in there sick and knackered when we should probably be in bed but still turning up for them and giving them 100% of our attention and energy and bothering to nag and moan.

We work on a restorative model. Not always popular with teachers I know and with good reasons sometimes but we're committed to it and for me personally that means going out of my way to try and build relationships even with kids who've behaved in ways that in normal life would see them sacked, ostracised and potentially even prosecuted. And it works a lot of the time. It means I seek out and spend time with kids you'd cross the street to avoid or write off with a few choice adjectives.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even the most challenged of our students (think witnessing domestic physical and sexual violence from an early age, never having developed impulse control, never having had emotional regulation modelled to them and instead only having seen shouting and screaming like toddlers from the adults in their lives prior to school) demonstrate more capacity for basic empathy and ability to recognise that other people have needs too than some of the parent posters on here.

Those posters will also be the ones banging on about how their child must be in school and manipulatively citing the 'vulnerable' kids whilst not actually giving a damn about those kids or the toll that it takes on teachers to have to take care of those kids, know their circumstances and worse still send them home to environments that we KNOW are not really safe let alone good despite a million safeguarding alerts and reports that we have submitted collectively and sleepless nights knowing we've done everything we can do but the child is still being left in an abusive environment.

They'll then also cynically use the death of one of those children for their Us4Ourselves agenda to show how schools must stay open as if that child would be alive if it wasn't for lockdowns. They'll ignore the fact that child had a school place and should have been in school and teachers reported to the authorities that they weren't and that they were seriously concerned. Not because they care about that child or the thousands like them who we know are in danger but can't get anyone to do anything about other than praising us on an ofsted report for providing an opportunity for them to come to breakfast club and give them a hot chocolate and a slice of toast in the morning but because they're a convenient pawn.

We are apparently lazy, lefty, workshy, shit at our jobs, sunbathing in the garden, gin swilling, overpaid, have too many holidays, hysterical because we don't want to be packed into an unventilated building with a massive unvaccinated population who clearly ARE a massive breeding pool for infections in a pandemic despite gaslighting and no apologies when that gaslighting was proved untrue, lying, doom mongering and disposable blob. Yet they are strangely keen for us to have their children.

I can't imagine why we either can't recruit trainees or end up recruiting absolutely unfit for the job recruits via private goverments mates companies that only give a shit about the commission.

As I say, fortunately we do it for the kids not the public. The public telling us we should lose our holidays to sit in lockdown in January when we're not allowed to go anywhere and then work through summer can gtf. Trust me the kids don't want that either. Not that these people generally give a damn what kids want.

I really have to hope that there are reasonable decent parents and people who are the silent lurking majority on these threads and who do genuinely give a shit about kids and know that it's not the teachers trying to hold things together on a shoe string that deserve their angst. I'm told there are countries where teachers are actually appreciated and held in high esteem.

This comment should be pinned at the top of every. single. thread. on this topic. It's a masterpiece. Kudos to you for all you do.

(Used to teach in a country where respect for teachers and for education was dyed into the wool of the fabric of society. It was absolutely mindblowing compared to what happens in this country.)

MrsHamlet · 17/12/2021 11:46

@TheHoneyBadger

Thank god we do it for our students not their parents because the kind of attitudes you see on here towards teachers would definitely not keep the already short number of teachers in role or attract quality candidates to the profession.

Thankfully most parents in real life are so much nicer than the very vocal and entitled minority who fill so much space on mn. I should know, I'm a parent myself and I get to read the emails of and have phonecalls with parents (generally of the most challenging students) on a regular basis and the vast majority are nothing like the vocal ones on here.

Our HT regularly shares with us the emails from parents thanking us for all we've done to keep their kids in school, to accommodate kids with very challenging needs, to support and keep in touch with students who are off due to covid etc.

Our students too for the most part, even most of the children of the more challenging parents, are polite and express gratitude. I get to share a fairly warm and amusing and engaging relationship with the majority of my classes despite having to teach them, administer discipline, introduce and enforce standards and expectations that in some cases they only encounter in school etc. Even after a lesson of nagging and moaning and having to give out a few warnings many will still say thanks Miss, have a nice day Miss. Many of them know that the nagging and moaning and pushing means we actually give a shit. They're also capable of recognising that sometimes we're in there sick and knackered when we should probably be in bed but still turning up for them and giving them 100% of our attention and energy and bothering to nag and moan.

We work on a restorative model. Not always popular with teachers I know and with good reasons sometimes but we're committed to it and for me personally that means going out of my way to try and build relationships even with kids who've behaved in ways that in normal life would see them sacked, ostracised and potentially even prosecuted. And it works a lot of the time. It means I seek out and spend time with kids you'd cross the street to avoid or write off with a few choice adjectives.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even the most challenged of our students (think witnessing domestic physical and sexual violence from an early age, never having developed impulse control, never having had emotional regulation modelled to them and instead only having seen shouting and screaming like toddlers from the adults in their lives prior to school) demonstrate more capacity for basic empathy and ability to recognise that other people have needs too than some of the parent posters on here.

Those posters will also be the ones banging on about how their child must be in school and manipulatively citing the 'vulnerable' kids whilst not actually giving a damn about those kids or the toll that it takes on teachers to have to take care of those kids, know their circumstances and worse still send them home to environments that we KNOW are not really safe let alone good despite a million safeguarding alerts and reports that we have submitted collectively and sleepless nights knowing we've done everything we can do but the child is still being left in an abusive environment.

They'll then also cynically use the death of one of those children for their Us4Ourselves agenda to show how schools must stay open as if that child would be alive if it wasn't for lockdowns. They'll ignore the fact that child had a school place and should have been in school and teachers reported to the authorities that they weren't and that they were seriously concerned. Not because they care about that child or the thousands like them who we know are in danger but can't get anyone to do anything about other than praising us on an ofsted report for providing an opportunity for them to come to breakfast club and give them a hot chocolate and a slice of toast in the morning but because they're a convenient pawn.

We are apparently lazy, lefty, workshy, shit at our jobs, sunbathing in the garden, gin swilling, overpaid, have too many holidays, hysterical because we don't want to be packed into an unventilated building with a massive unvaccinated population who clearly ARE a massive breeding pool for infections in a pandemic despite gaslighting and no apologies when that gaslighting was proved untrue, lying, doom mongering and disposable blob. Yet they are strangely keen for us to have their children.

I can't imagine why we either can't recruit trainees or end up recruiting absolutely unfit for the job recruits via private goverments mates companies that only give a shit about the commission.

As I say, fortunately we do it for the kids not the public. The public telling us we should lose our holidays to sit in lockdown in January when we're not allowed to go anywhere and then work through summer can gtf. Trust me the kids don't want that either. Not that these people generally give a damn what kids want.

I really have to hope that there are reasonable decent parents and people who are the silent lurking majority on these threads and who do genuinely give a shit about kids and know that it's not the teachers trying to hold things together on a shoe string that deserve their angst. I'm told there are countries where teachers are actually appreciated and held in high esteem.

@TheHoneyBadger thank you.
NinaDefoe · 17/12/2021 11:54

@TheHoneyBadger
Probably the best post I have ever read on a thread like this!
Thank you!

NinaDefoe · 17/12/2021 11:57

This comment should be pinned at the top of every. single. thread. on this topic. It's a masterpiece. Kudos to you for all you do.

I agree! @TheHoneyBadger

DontWantTheRivalry · 17/12/2021 12:00

Great post!!

And I agree - in my experience teachers have been phenomenal!

The teachers at my son’s school have gone above and beyond and they are amazing for working through the Pandemic when there is such little regard for their safety from the Government.

I think the Pandemic has highlighted how essential school and such dedicated teachers are to the well-being of our children.

lonelyplanet · 17/12/2021 12:03

@TheHoneyBadger

Thank god we do it for our students not their parents because the kind of attitudes you see on here towards teachers would definitely not keep the already short number of teachers in role or attract quality candidates to the profession.

Thankfully most parents in real life are so much nicer than the very vocal and entitled minority who fill so much space on mn. I should know, I'm a parent myself and I get to read the emails of and have phonecalls with parents (generally of the most challenging students) on a regular basis and the vast majority are nothing like the vocal ones on here.

Our HT regularly shares with us the emails from parents thanking us for all we've done to keep their kids in school, to accommodate kids with very challenging needs, to support and keep in touch with students who are off due to covid etc.

Our students too for the most part, even most of the children of the more challenging parents, are polite and express gratitude. I get to share a fairly warm and amusing and engaging relationship with the majority of my classes despite having to teach them, administer discipline, introduce and enforce standards and expectations that in some cases they only encounter in school etc. Even after a lesson of nagging and moaning and having to give out a few warnings many will still say thanks Miss, have a nice day Miss. Many of them know that the nagging and moaning and pushing means we actually give a shit. They're also capable of recognising that sometimes we're in there sick and knackered when we should probably be in bed but still turning up for them and giving them 100% of our attention and energy and bothering to nag and moan.

We work on a restorative model. Not always popular with teachers I know and with good reasons sometimes but we're committed to it and for me personally that means going out of my way to try and build relationships even with kids who've behaved in ways that in normal life would see them sacked, ostracised and potentially even prosecuted. And it works a lot of the time. It means I seek out and spend time with kids you'd cross the street to avoid or write off with a few choice adjectives.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even the most challenged of our students (think witnessing domestic physical and sexual violence from an early age, never having developed impulse control, never having had emotional regulation modelled to them and instead only having seen shouting and screaming like toddlers from the adults in their lives prior to school) demonstrate more capacity for basic empathy and ability to recognise that other people have needs too than some of the parent posters on here.

Those posters will also be the ones banging on about how their child must be in school and manipulatively citing the 'vulnerable' kids whilst not actually giving a damn about those kids or the toll that it takes on teachers to have to take care of those kids, know their circumstances and worse still send them home to environments that we KNOW are not really safe let alone good despite a million safeguarding alerts and reports that we have submitted collectively and sleepless nights knowing we've done everything we can do but the child is still being left in an abusive environment.

They'll then also cynically use the death of one of those children for their Us4Ourselves agenda to show how schools must stay open as if that child would be alive if it wasn't for lockdowns. They'll ignore the fact that child had a school place and should have been in school and teachers reported to the authorities that they weren't and that they were seriously concerned. Not because they care about that child or the thousands like them who we know are in danger but can't get anyone to do anything about other than praising us on an ofsted report for providing an opportunity for them to come to breakfast club and give them a hot chocolate and a slice of toast in the morning but because they're a convenient pawn.

We are apparently lazy, lefty, workshy, shit at our jobs, sunbathing in the garden, gin swilling, overpaid, have too many holidays, hysterical because we don't want to be packed into an unventilated building with a massive unvaccinated population who clearly ARE a massive breeding pool for infections in a pandemic despite gaslighting and no apologies when that gaslighting was proved untrue, lying, doom mongering and disposable blob. Yet they are strangely keen for us to have their children.

I can't imagine why we either can't recruit trainees or end up recruiting absolutely unfit for the job recruits via private goverments mates companies that only give a shit about the commission.

As I say, fortunately we do it for the kids not the public. The public telling us we should lose our holidays to sit in lockdown in January when we're not allowed to go anywhere and then work through summer can gtf. Trust me the kids don't want that either. Not that these people generally give a damn what kids want.

I really have to hope that there are reasonable decent parents and people who are the silent lurking majority on these threads and who do genuinely give a shit about kids and know that it's not the teachers trying to hold things together on a shoe string that deserve their angst. I'm told there are countries where teachers are actually appreciated and held in high esteem.

You have summed the situation up perfectly. Thank you for taking the time to do this. Reading many of the posts on here at the end of an exhausting term, just makes me want to cry.
CallmeHendricksGingleBells · 17/12/2021 12:51

@TheHoneyBadger
I think your post should be stickied to the top of all threads about schools and covid.

DriveInSaturday · 17/12/2021 13:17

TheHoneyBadger Brilliant. Thank you.

Neverfittedin85 · 17/12/2021 13:54

@TheHoneyBadger

Thank god we do it for our students not their parents because the kind of attitudes you see on here towards teachers would definitely not keep the already short number of teachers in role or attract quality candidates to the profession.

Thankfully most parents in real life are so much nicer than the very vocal and entitled minority who fill so much space on mn. I should know, I'm a parent myself and I get to read the emails of and have phonecalls with parents (generally of the most challenging students) on a regular basis and the vast majority are nothing like the vocal ones on here.

Our HT regularly shares with us the emails from parents thanking us for all we've done to keep their kids in school, to accommodate kids with very challenging needs, to support and keep in touch with students who are off due to covid etc.

Our students too for the most part, even most of the children of the more challenging parents, are polite and express gratitude. I get to share a fairly warm and amusing and engaging relationship with the majority of my classes despite having to teach them, administer discipline, introduce and enforce standards and expectations that in some cases they only encounter in school etc. Even after a lesson of nagging and moaning and having to give out a few warnings many will still say thanks Miss, have a nice day Miss. Many of them know that the nagging and moaning and pushing means we actually give a shit. They're also capable of recognising that sometimes we're in there sick and knackered when we should probably be in bed but still turning up for them and giving them 100% of our attention and energy and bothering to nag and moan.

We work on a restorative model. Not always popular with teachers I know and with good reasons sometimes but we're committed to it and for me personally that means going out of my way to try and build relationships even with kids who've behaved in ways that in normal life would see them sacked, ostracised and potentially even prosecuted. And it works a lot of the time. It means I seek out and spend time with kids you'd cross the street to avoid or write off with a few choice adjectives.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even the most challenged of our students (think witnessing domestic physical and sexual violence from an early age, never having developed impulse control, never having had emotional regulation modelled to them and instead only having seen shouting and screaming like toddlers from the adults in their lives prior to school) demonstrate more capacity for basic empathy and ability to recognise that other people have needs too than some of the parent posters on here.

Those posters will also be the ones banging on about how their child must be in school and manipulatively citing the 'vulnerable' kids whilst not actually giving a damn about those kids or the toll that it takes on teachers to have to take care of those kids, know their circumstances and worse still send them home to environments that we KNOW are not really safe let alone good despite a million safeguarding alerts and reports that we have submitted collectively and sleepless nights knowing we've done everything we can do but the child is still being left in an abusive environment.

They'll then also cynically use the death of one of those children for their Us4Ourselves agenda to show how schools must stay open as if that child would be alive if it wasn't for lockdowns. They'll ignore the fact that child had a school place and should have been in school and teachers reported to the authorities that they weren't and that they were seriously concerned. Not because they care about that child or the thousands like them who we know are in danger but can't get anyone to do anything about other than praising us on an ofsted report for providing an opportunity for them to come to breakfast club and give them a hot chocolate and a slice of toast in the morning but because they're a convenient pawn.

We are apparently lazy, lefty, workshy, shit at our jobs, sunbathing in the garden, gin swilling, overpaid, have too many holidays, hysterical because we don't want to be packed into an unventilated building with a massive unvaccinated population who clearly ARE a massive breeding pool for infections in a pandemic despite gaslighting and no apologies when that gaslighting was proved untrue, lying, doom mongering and disposable blob. Yet they are strangely keen for us to have their children.

I can't imagine why we either can't recruit trainees or end up recruiting absolutely unfit for the job recruits via private goverments mates companies that only give a shit about the commission.

As I say, fortunately we do it for the kids not the public. The public telling us we should lose our holidays to sit in lockdown in January when we're not allowed to go anywhere and then work through summer can gtf. Trust me the kids don't want that either. Not that these people generally give a damn what kids want.

I really have to hope that there are reasonable decent parents and people who are the silent lurking majority on these threads and who do genuinely give a shit about kids and know that it's not the teachers trying to hold things together on a shoe string that deserve their angst. I'm told there are countries where teachers are actually appreciated and held in high esteem.

🙌👏👏👏👏👏👏 Thank you for all you do for the children in this society. ❤
Iheartbaby · 17/12/2021 14:10

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DreamingofBrie · 17/12/2021 14:16

Eloquent and honest post, thank you @TheHoneyBadger. Of course we do it for the kids! And thankfully, most real life parents are reasonable too.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 17/12/2021 14:17

@Iheartbaby

What do you do?

TessasTesla · 17/12/2021 14:24

But the narrative that parents who express their worries about schools moving to online learning AGAIN and the horrible, detrimental and long lasting effects they witness in their children’s mental and physical health and development are just feckless and after a free babysitting service is just also toxic.

Most of us find that teachers in real life go over and above, are kind and incredibly professional but some of the MN posts that appear to be from teachers are so hostile and judgemental towards parents who have had to juggle full time jobs and support our children through the horrible challenges that online learning at home brought. Many of us don’t live in big fancy houses and we don’t have the equipment to share so 3 children can follow lessons all day. Families sit on top of each other, trying to work and study, all around the kitchen table, everyone’s stress levels through the roof and the lack of social contact doesn’t help either parents or children. And no, Zoom quizzes and parties are not a substitute for face to face contact.

Many women will lose their income if there is another prolonged school closure as their employers will demand more than in previous lockdowns (lockdowns becoming a new business as usual) and our reserves are empty. We also haven’t had holidays to get some respite from all the stress and are still trying to get over the trauma that we experienced during previous lockdowns.

Teachers at our school are so understanding of parents and vice versa, it’s a great partnership. They know the horrors families are going through during lockdown and show more empathy than many pro school closure posters on MN. Maybe it’s just that online, people are venting just to cope with the shit that is Covid, parents and teachers alike. Here are some Thanks to all teachers on MN and all parents who are worried about their children.

There has been an enormous increase in young children being prescribed glasses as a result of online learning. It's such as shame and we really are letting this young generation down.

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CarrieBlue · 17/12/2021 14:38

Why was that not in the guidelines, I’m allowed to say that teachers are not the only ones on their knees and sitting ducks and that you don’t hear other professions moaning like this.

What other profession is surrounded by unvaccinated people all day every day with zero mitigation in place and are continually kicked by unpleasant people who know nothing at all about the work going on in schools (and nurseries)?

Piggyinblankets · 17/12/2021 14:42

There has been an enormous increase in young children being prescribed glasses as a result of online learning

And teachers! It broke many occupational health guidelines.

I kept warning about that in the clamour for full online hour lessons. Fr students at my school that was a 5 1/2 hour day with no more than 25 minutes break at any one time. And let's not kid ourselves that they weren't on screens in the breaks and 'after school'.

Staryflight445 · 17/12/2021 14:46

The system is broken which isn’t helping. We have had 2 positive LFTS from one of my children this week, and it taking ages to get a PCR result.

My children haven’t been anywhere other than school in weeks and the only people we’ve had at home have no symptoms and have negative LFTS.

As soon as a child gets a positive LFT schools should be allowed to request all other children have one. Instead of only requesting it for 7 days once the PCR is positive, this has caused said child/children to continue to spread covid in my child’s class for 3 days and who knows where they’ll go this weekend and spread it too.

It’s such a flawed system. The amount of parents telling me their children have the same symptoms as my child but have sent them to school because their LFT was negative is absolutely appalling too.

Until the system changes/ parents start taking responsibility it’s always going to be difficult for classes/ schools to remain open.

motherrunner · 17/12/2021 14:50

@TheHoneyBadger

Thank god we do it for our students not their parents because the kind of attitudes you see on here towards teachers would definitely not keep the already short number of teachers in role or attract quality candidates to the profession.

Thankfully most parents in real life are so much nicer than the very vocal and entitled minority who fill so much space on mn. I should know, I'm a parent myself and I get to read the emails of and have phonecalls with parents (generally of the most challenging students) on a regular basis and the vast majority are nothing like the vocal ones on here.

Our HT regularly shares with us the emails from parents thanking us for all we've done to keep their kids in school, to accommodate kids with very challenging needs, to support and keep in touch with students who are off due to covid etc.

Our students too for the most part, even most of the children of the more challenging parents, are polite and express gratitude. I get to share a fairly warm and amusing and engaging relationship with the majority of my classes despite having to teach them, administer discipline, introduce and enforce standards and expectations that in some cases they only encounter in school etc. Even after a lesson of nagging and moaning and having to give out a few warnings many will still say thanks Miss, have a nice day Miss. Many of them know that the nagging and moaning and pushing means we actually give a shit. They're also capable of recognising that sometimes we're in there sick and knackered when we should probably be in bed but still turning up for them and giving them 100% of our attention and energy and bothering to nag and moan.

We work on a restorative model. Not always popular with teachers I know and with good reasons sometimes but we're committed to it and for me personally that means going out of my way to try and build relationships even with kids who've behaved in ways that in normal life would see them sacked, ostracised and potentially even prosecuted. And it works a lot of the time. It means I seek out and spend time with kids you'd cross the street to avoid or write off with a few choice adjectives.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even the most challenged of our students (think witnessing domestic physical and sexual violence from an early age, never having developed impulse control, never having had emotional regulation modelled to them and instead only having seen shouting and screaming like toddlers from the adults in their lives prior to school) demonstrate more capacity for basic empathy and ability to recognise that other people have needs too than some of the parent posters on here.

Those posters will also be the ones banging on about how their child must be in school and manipulatively citing the 'vulnerable' kids whilst not actually giving a damn about those kids or the toll that it takes on teachers to have to take care of those kids, know their circumstances and worse still send them home to environments that we KNOW are not really safe let alone good despite a million safeguarding alerts and reports that we have submitted collectively and sleepless nights knowing we've done everything we can do but the child is still being left in an abusive environment.

They'll then also cynically use the death of one of those children for their Us4Ourselves agenda to show how schools must stay open as if that child would be alive if it wasn't for lockdowns. They'll ignore the fact that child had a school place and should have been in school and teachers reported to the authorities that they weren't and that they were seriously concerned. Not because they care about that child or the thousands like them who we know are in danger but can't get anyone to do anything about other than praising us on an ofsted report for providing an opportunity for them to come to breakfast club and give them a hot chocolate and a slice of toast in the morning but because they're a convenient pawn.

We are apparently lazy, lefty, workshy, shit at our jobs, sunbathing in the garden, gin swilling, overpaid, have too many holidays, hysterical because we don't want to be packed into an unventilated building with a massive unvaccinated population who clearly ARE a massive breeding pool for infections in a pandemic despite gaslighting and no apologies when that gaslighting was proved untrue, lying, doom mongering and disposable blob. Yet they are strangely keen for us to have their children.

I can't imagine why we either can't recruit trainees or end up recruiting absolutely unfit for the job recruits via private goverments mates companies that only give a shit about the commission.

As I say, fortunately we do it for the kids not the public. The public telling us we should lose our holidays to sit in lockdown in January when we're not allowed to go anywhere and then work through summer can gtf. Trust me the kids don't want that either. Not that these people generally give a damn what kids want.

I really have to hope that there are reasonable decent parents and people who are the silent lurking majority on these threads and who do genuinely give a shit about kids and know that it's not the teachers trying to hold things together on a shoe string that deserve their angst. I'm told there are countries where teachers are actually appreciated and held in high esteem.

I am just going to keep quoting this when the teacher bashers raise their ugly heads because every time you criticise a teacher, you’re upsetting the very person who has your child’s welfare at heart.
Iheartbaby · 17/12/2021 14:52

@CarrieBlue

Why was that not in the guidelines, I’m allowed to say that teachers are not the only ones on their knees and sitting ducks and that you don’t hear other professions moaning like this.

What other profession is surrounded by unvaccinated people all day every day with zero mitigation in place and are continually kicked by unpleasant people who know nothing at all about the work going on in schools (and nurseries)?

Shop workers, bus drivers, police, anyone that works with the public is surrounded by people who they are not sure if they vaccinated or not snd plus these worker are not about to have two weeks off from work. When do these workers get a break. These workers are going to have to carry on and deal with the public.
Piggyinblankets · 17/12/2021 14:53

Yes, but this thread is about schools.

motherrunner · 17/12/2021 14:54

@Iheartbaby Start a thread about them then. I’ll join in support.

beentoldcomputersaysno · 17/12/2021 14:55

@TheHoneyBadger great post.