NHS mandatory vaccine, how does setting law work?

[Dodie66]

Saw on the news mandatory vaccines for all NHS and social care front line staff to start in April. It’s been voted in by the government but doesn’t it have to be voted in by the House of Lords and then get Royal Assent. The news channels make it sound like it’s going ahead. Will the Lords vote it in anyway?

I guess nobody knows then

I thought it went to Lords but not a lot of info out there

They usually do (and good for them).

You cannot have people working for the NHS who haven't been vaccinated against conditions which affect their patients.

I work for the NHS and have had to prove I'm vaccinated against a range of conditions which cause me no harm, but may cause my patients harm.

Yes it goes to the lords which can amend legislation and send it back to the commons but in reality commons gets the final say - I can’t remember the exact name for this mechanism but even if it is technically possible for them to block it (which I don’t actually think it is any more) they won’t do so. And yes it does also require royal assent but constitutionally the queen cannot refuse to give it. So yes it is in effect a done deal.

The News said this will affect six figures worth of people. Not sure I believe that 🤔

I think the emergency legislation brought in for covid allowed such laws to be passed via statutory instrument. The lords may well debate, but all they can do is vote on a motion of regret which they did for compulsory vaccines for care home staff.!

I am wondering this too.
Vaccinations used to be a local NHS trust policy... but a law is different. Are there fines for trusts who are found to have unvaccinated staff?
I had to have several jabs as part of my training, but I was never told they were law or I must get them 'or else'.

I wonder how many people won’t get the vaccine

We have a few in our team unvaccinated

You work with potentially vulnerable people then you need to take responsibility

That they get paid full pay to self isolate makes me so angry while the rest of us are having to work around the time they are self isolating again 🙄

It’s shocking how many take the piss

I have one person unvaccinated who I work with and apparently there's quite a few in the service. The person I work with is happy to leave in April.
I do wonder though if it is just frontline NHS staff that a lot of people depending on their roles may just be moved to office based/ behind the scenes.

The News said this will affect six figures worth of people. Not sure I believe that 🤔

There is about 1.5 million people work for the NHS so if thryy make all staff have it it could easily be 6 figures.

There’s a group called nhs100k
So I suspect it is about 100,000 plus

Yes I think it is 100 000 staff. I'm vaccinated and think we should have made it mandatory for all new staff as soon as vaccine is available.

However getting rid of NHS and care staff who have worked in their role for years and throughout the pandemic in horrible circumstances seems callous.

I will also lose 20% of my team. Many are on the brink anyway because its so stressful. This will not push them into vaccination just push the rest of my team over the edge