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Anyone else who can't help feeling like it's just a bit daft?

102 replies

HotelRotel · 14/12/2021 13:00

Before I go on I should say I know logically it's not daft and I understand the reasoning.

But I'm sat here, half way through isolation with positive DS and I can't help thinking it's all a bit ridiculous. He has not had a single symptom other than a very slightly raised temp the first day when I took him for a PCR. After that nothing, not a single cough, not a sniffle, no sore throat, no further temp, absolutely zilch.

I appreciate he's lucky but I have multiple friends who have either tested positive themselves or who's children have and they have felt perfectly fine.

Again, as I say above I do understand it, but the other half of me can't help but laugh at how crazy it is that I'm isolating my child who's perfectly well and doesn't understand why he can't just go about his normal life!

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Blubells · 14/12/2021 15:20

I can't help but think of all the extremely vulnerable children and adults who will have suffered irrevocably due to the pandemic.
I think that should be the priority now.

What do you propose?

ComDummings · 14/12/2021 15:20

@MarshaBradyo I am fully vaccinated yes, I had had my second jab about 7 months before I got covid and boosters were not widely available so I was relieved that the vaccinations still obviously offered some protection from a worse illness. I’m very grateful for the vaccine!

Remmy123 · 14/12/2021 15:23

Agreed.

Dreamstate · 14/12/2021 15:29

@ChequerBoard

Not really. It is pretty stupid telling ppl to get jabs that don't protect them so keep getting more jabs that won't protect you either.....in the end put yourself on a drip 24/7 but you still won't be protected.

Dreamstate · 14/12/2021 15:32

And more to the point if your unvaccinated whats the point of having vaccine 1 and 2, just skip straight to 3 if vaccine 1 or 2 dont work like they tell those who vaccinated are otherwise ifbthey did why bother with a third one.

This is why ita laughable. Jab yourself with vaccine 1 and 2 that doesn't work then you can get the one that does work. Pointless

ChequerBoard · 14/12/2021 16:00

[quote Dreamstate]@ChequerBoard

Not really. It is pretty stupid telling ppl to get jabs that don't protect them so keep getting more jabs that won't protect you either.....in the end put yourself on a drip 24/7 but you still won't be protected.[/quote]

But they do protect you.

Against severe disease and death.

Or is that not worth bothering with in your eyes.?

Honestly sick of people reading some crap off Twitter or Facebook and parroting it about like they have a clue what they are taking about.

CrumpledCrumpet · 14/12/2021 16:23

I should really stay off the covid board as the some of absence of thinking is shocking.

ImInStealthMode · 14/12/2021 16:34

[quote Lifeispassingby]@HermioneWeasley but we do don’t we? With D&V you stay at home off work/school whilst infectious and the same with Flu. If you’re ill and/or might infect others you don’t go spreading it about do you?[/quote]
That's not quite true. About 1/3 of cases of flu are asymptomatic, so people walk around being infectious (and dangerously so to the vulnerable) but not knowing. The difference is we don't test asymptomatic people for anything other than covid.

HesterShaw1 · 14/12/2021 16:39

@Tigersteakpie

What I find frustrating is that it's those who do lateral flow tests that are essentially being penalised.

My DS is in isolation as we all test twice a week. He is totally symptom free. The rest of us are negative (for now). I know for a fact that the majority of his peers are not doing regular lateral flow tests - he's primary school, they suggested we do it weekly but I know the majority do not.

I am under no illusion that there must be absolutely thousands of asymptomatic people spreading this around. They aren't testing because they don't have symptoms and there are no 'rules' around lateral flow tests.

So my asymptomatic son isolates because we tested, but others, also asymptomatic just carry on as normal because they don't want to test.

I won't be regularly testing for much longer. I'll follow the PCR rules and test myself (I work in a school). But enough with isolating the poor kids.

I also think they need to change the rules around testing, nobody has a cough from covid anymore 🤣

I'd stop too.
CrumpledCrumpet · 14/12/2021 16:39

@Dreamstate

And more to the point if your unvaccinated whats the point of having vaccine 1 and 2, just skip straight to 3 if vaccine 1 or 2 dont work like they tell those who vaccinated are otherwise ifbthey did why bother with a third one.

This is why ita laughable. Jab yourself with vaccine 1 and 2 that doesn't work then you can get the one that does work. Pointless

Where to start with this?

Imagine you need wall 1.5m high, on muddy ground, to stop people kicking footballs into your garden.

You’ve got blocks 75cm tall to build the wall out of.

You need two blocks for the wall to be tall enough to stop most of the balls coming over. Some will still get over but a 1.5m wall does the job pretty well.

Unfortunately over time the wall starts sinking into the mud so it does the job less well and more balls can get over, so you’re thinking of adding another block.

Then a new type of ball turns up that can be kicked a lot higher than the old balls. That combined with the fact the wall has been sinking into mud means you definitely need that 3rd block.

So yes, the 3rd block is what’s going to keep those pesky footballs out. But without the previous two blocks it’s largely useless.

MrsTophamHat · 14/12/2021 16:42

@Dreamstate

And more to the point if your unvaccinated whats the point of having vaccine 1 and 2, just skip straight to 3 if vaccine 1 or 2 dont work like they tell those who vaccinated are otherwise ifbthey did why bother with a third one.

This is why ita laughable. Jab yourself with vaccine 1 and 2 that doesn't work then you can get the one that does work. Pointless

Aghast.
MrsFrisbyMouse · 14/12/2021 17:20

Your immune system gets primed by being exposed to viruses. In the normal run of things you are being exposed to a small viral load of lots of different viruses all the time. Most of them your body has encountered before - and is able to mount a quick defense.

Sometimes this defense makes you ill (snot, tickly throat etc)

Vaccines work by priming your immune system. Multiple vaccines challenge it multiple times, giving you a stronger immune response. Sometimes that virus changes a bit, and whilst your immune system might recognise it, it will mount a bigger defense to get rid of it (making you sicker in the meantime). But rarely do you lose all memory of it (older people and people with immune problems)

Slipperoo · 14/12/2021 17:23

@HermioneWeasley

Agree. We don’t do this for flu or noro virus
For noro you should be doing it Confused
HariboMaroon · 14/12/2021 17:32

My son is really poorly with a cough and sore throat, covid was a walk in the park for him compared to this virus.

LegoPandemic · 14/12/2021 17:35

I don’t think you can be being U.
DS had asymptomatic covid and we wouldn’t have known if my vaccine had held like DH’s (I had symptoms so we all had a test).
I think we should probably stop all asymptomatic testing now really.

boomboom1234 · 14/12/2021 17:36

You are not isolating him because he feels poorly. You are isolating him so he doesn't spread the illness to others who may feel worse.

Pootle40 · 14/12/2021 17:40

@HotelRotel

Before I go on I should say I know logically it's not daft and I understand the reasoning.

But I'm sat here, half way through isolation with positive DS and I can't help thinking it's all a bit ridiculous. He has not had a single symptom other than a very slightly raised temp the first day when I took him for a PCR. After that nothing, not a single cough, not a sniffle, no sore throat, no further temp, absolutely zilch.

I appreciate he's lucky but I have multiple friends who have either tested positive themselves or who's children have and they have felt perfectly fine.

Again, as I say above I do understand it, but the other half of me can't help but laugh at how crazy it is that I'm isolating my child who's perfectly well and doesn't understand why he can't just go about his normal life!

Amen. You are spot on....we've all gone mad
LethargicActress · 14/12/2021 17:42

For noro you should be doing it

With norovirus, you wouldn’t be expected to stay off work or school for a full week or more after symptoms have stopped. That’s the difference.

There are healthy adults and children sitting at home with no need or benefit because they are no longer contagious, even if they did need to isolate at the start of their illness. The ten day rule is ridiculous.

TragicallyUnbeyachted · 14/12/2021 17:54

I get that you could be contagious for 10 days but are we? Doesn't make sense

you could have someone who feels very ill for the whole 10 days and are allowed out on day 11 despite that they were ill for much longer and more likely to be contagious still

Studies haven't found a significant correlation between how symptomatic you are and how long you shed live virus for, though. And the Lancet found that, while you can shed viral RNA for up to 83 days in the upper respiratory tract, no study had detected live virus shedding past day 9 of illness, which is why the isolation period was cut down from 14 days to 10 in the first place (I think the initial 14-day isolation policy was based on experiences with SARS and MERS, where live viral shedding peaks in the second week of illness).

slaybell · 14/12/2021 17:56

@HariboMaroon

My son is really poorly with a cough and sore throat, covid was a walk in the park for him compared to this virus.
Same here. I am on about day 15 of a horrible virus (not covid - negative PCR). I was stuck in bed for four days and have felt absolutely terrible. Far worse than when I had covid (pre-vaccine), yet I've been able to go out and about (when I've been able). All sorts of nasty viruses are about and we are not required by law to isolate for them. I'm sure if someone vulnerable caught this virus it would be just as nasty, if not worse than covid, but we can't shut up shop for every single virus, covid included.
TragicallyUnbeyachted · 14/12/2021 18:00

i.e. they HAVE reduced isolation requirements in line with medical evidence. Medical evidence shows that shedding of live virus peaks in the first week and doesn't happen past day 9 (I concede that the extra day seems to have been added on for no solid reason) so they cut isolation periods down. Medical evidence also shows that people who are no longer symptomatic can still be shedding live virus up until day 9, so we haven't reduced it further and treated them as 'no longer contagious'.

Blubells · 14/12/2021 18:02

All sorts of nasty viruses are about and we are not required by law to isolate for them. I'm sure if someone vulnerable caught this virus it would be just as nasty, if not worse than covid, but we can't shut up shop for every single virus, covid included.

I agree. There are are always viruses about, including those that would probably be harmful to older and vulnerable people. Covid will continue to be around too probably. And many of those catching these viruses will be asymptomatic. Do we keep having to isolate all these people for 10 days?

Topseyt · 14/12/2021 18:04

I totally agree. No flaming from me.

I realise that Covid can be serious on some people, but the rules are utterly farcical. For instance, you shouldn't go into your place of work if you can work from home, but you can attend the office Christmas party.

The farce is not sustainable and needs to stop. I don't agree with lockdowns either. Businesses need to run and people need to earn their living.

Dreamstate · 14/12/2021 18:15

You miss the point the government say vaccine and 2 won't protect you from omicron. Great so why not just tell ppl to get 3 if they hadn't had 1 or 2. Thats the point!

Yayayaya20 · 14/12/2021 18:19

Even worse now in Scotland now we are isolating people who have a positive household case even though they themselves only came out of isolation the day precious!