“Nobody will listen”

[lightisnotwhite]

Interested in what this looks like.

My guess is “nobody” will listen if not a lot happens ie you only know people getting mild cases of coronavirus, schools and shops still open and you don’t use a doctor or hospital on a regular basis. So where we are now..

What or when will people change behaviour do you think? A lot more people wearing masks atm but colds and stomach bugs are doing the rounds ( so clearly handwashing and SD not really being followed).
How bad do you think it would it get before restrictions would be followed rigorously in 2022.

I guess when a lockdown comes along.

But lockdowns won’t be the same now we’re all jabbed. It’s very different place to last year without anyone even having a single dose.

People won’t follow them unless they have evidence that it’s all going wrong.

I was asking what would that look like?

For me it would be if large numbers of children were dying from it. That's the only way I'd be happy to go with restrictions.

Nobody will listen (as can already be seen by the comments here) because of the "as long as it doesn't personally affect me" attitude.
They'll listen when restrictions are properly policed. Which, for the last 18 months they haven't been.

If the NHS gets fully overwhelmed I think that would be very shocking to see. Personally I'm already concerned that routine GP appointments are suspended again.

Unfortunately there's a group of people who really don't want to listen - they set the bar incredibly high so they don't have to. Sadly that group includes about 100 Tory MPs! They hide behind libertarianism, but they're just hypocritical arses IMO. They're happy to restrict protest, but won't wear masks, and happy to require papers to be shown to vote, but not for covid. They do not care about those in poverty, or children, or the elderly at all. You can see that in how they vote.

I’m a pretty rule abiding person have adhered to lockdowns 1-3, so I see myself as a pretty good example to benchmark against and I can say I just wouldn’t stick to tighter rules if they came again in terms of household mixing . Obviously I can’t control what is closed down , but I’d still see friends and family . I’m boosted and lft regularly , but I’m SO tired of all this now , we are about to enter our third year . I think back and my year 4 child last had a normal school year in yr 1 !
I have a CEV parent and we are cautious and as safe as we can be , but that said we also live.
Enough is enough now it’s time to find a way to live with this . Instead of furloughing again use the money to bolster the NHS. There is very little that would make me ‘listen’ now , child deaths as pp says but that’s just not going to happen.

If swathes of kids start dropping dead or the virus mutates into something that turns people into zombies. Otherwise, I think not.

@PAFMO

Nobody will listen (as can already be seen by the comments here) because of the "as long as it doesn't personally affect me" attitude. They'll listen when restrictions are properly policed. Which, for the last 18 months they haven't been.

"Properly policed" - so we become like China? Is that what you want to see?

Unless children start becoming seriously ill - ie hospitalised - people won’t care. They don’t care about elderly people or disabled people, they didn’t care about them before and they don’t care now. It would have to affect children for anything to change.

If swathes of kids start dropping dead or the virus mutates into something that turns people into zombies An excellent example of what I was trying to say.

Society without a functioning healthcare system would be pretty frightening.

But people like this don't seem to care about anyone, including themselves and their own relatives. Hopefully, if required, we will again just ignore and fine the 20% who are like this. I can see why ostracism was practised historically!

The whole system is under pressure, and being tested as never before.
It's not just the school system. It's the health care system, our transportation and logistics systems, social care, and more.

It's not just the covid crisis.
It's the tsunami of aging populations needing care, it's the housing crisis, the environment, the lack of adequate mental health care, it's the shocking numbers of sexual assaults, and a broken legal system.

It's scary; each new crisis pushes our society as a whole, towards a tipping point.

@rrhuth

If swathes of kids start dropping dead or the virus mutates into something that turns people into zombies An excellent example of what I was trying to say.

Society without a functioning healthcare system would be pretty frightening.

But people like this don't seem to care about anyone, including themselves and their own relatives. Hopefully, if required, we will again just ignore and fine the 20% who are like this. I can see why ostracism was practised historically!

But the reason the healthcare system wouldnt be able to function is not because of the "selfish plebs" going out partying; it'd be because its been horrifically underfunded and driven into the ground for decades. This was apparent at the start of the pandemic "12 weeks to save the NHS" and absolutely nothing has been done/changed since then (nearly a whole two years ago) to fix that.

The healthcare system being unable to function is 100% the fault of the government.

I'm more interested in "When will people say that the NHS isoverwhelmed ?" What would that look like to people ?

But going back to your point - I think people will listen when lots of people they know catch omricon ,

@siestalady
The healthcare system being unable to function is 100% the fault of the government

Well not 100%, as covid is part of the picture, but I absolutely agree the NHS has been systematically underfunded by the Conservatives.

So what you're saying is, you are happy to live in the dystopian mess that would be a cou try without functioning healthcare, to get the government back??

Sounds really logical. Not at all like cutting your nose off to spite your face. You're really going to show the government what's what!

@peridito

I'm more interested in "When will people say that the NHS isoverwhelmed ?" What would that look like to people ?

But going back to your point - I think people will listen when lots of people they know catch omricon ,

Well yes. I heard an NHS spokesperson saying yesterday they 'hoped' not to have to suspend cancer treatment, which was cheering.

[quote rrhuth]@siestalady
The healthcare system being unable to function is 100% the fault of the government

Well not 100%, as covid is part of the picture, but I absolutely agree the NHS has been systematically underfunded by the Conservatives.

So what you're saying is, you are happy to live in the dystopian mess that would be a cou try without functioning healthcare, to get the government back??

Sounds really logical. Not at all like cutting your nose off to spite your face. You're really going to show the government what's what! [/quote]
Well clearly not

But it is hugely frustrating to see many posters on MN blame each other for the mess, rather than blame the government and demand more for our country.

People do not believe the nhs is ever ' overwhelmed' because they think it's all a hoax.
I don't believe this , but many do.
It's hard to make people realize anything unless it affects them personally.

Society without a functioning healthcare system would be pretty frightening

A non functioning healthcare system is what we have now ,but people won't change their behaviour because it seems pointless .They've stayed in ,worn masks ,not seen dying relatives ,done LFTs - and yet we have a raging virus sweeping through the country,

Compliance has been prettty good in U.K. so far

If you mean from here on in people are wearing masks more here in London

And now many are wfh or office parties cancelled.

But there will still be packed events or pubs etc because there isn’t that need to change behaviour or many.

Others will be risk averse / feel differently and start staying home etc

@Bagelsandbrie

Unless children start becoming seriously ill - ie hospitalised - people won’t care. They don’t care about elderly people or disabled people, they didn’t care about them before and they don’t care now. It would have to affect children for anything to change.

I don't not care about the elderly, but I don't see deaths of elderly people as tragic. Sad yes, but not tragic. Children dying is tragic.

@peridito

Society without a functioning healthcare system would be pretty frightening

A non functioning healthcare system is what we have now ,but people won't change their behaviour because it seems pointless .They've stayed in ,worn masks ,not seen dying relatives ,done LFTs - and yet we have a raging virus sweeping through the country,

This is an incredibly naive statement.

What we have now is inadequate and very very busy.

But it is there. I know this because my relative had a cancer treatment appointment last week.

I am talking about it not being there. Surely you can see the difference?

@Waxonwaxoff0

For me it would be if large numbers of children were dying from it. That's the only way I'd be happy to go with restrictions.

Whose kids would need to die for you to take it seriously, presumably you hope it wouldn't be yours, and how many would be the winning number? If 10 children die is that just unfortunate? 100 children? 1000 children?

I take the point about the NHS. However for as long as I can remember the NHS has always been “over stretched”, “under resourced”, with one service or another at breaking point. That’s 50 years.

If you don’t use the NHS ( and plenty don’t see a doctor every year ) how can you even know if things are bad or not.

I think the government have achieved their aim here . People turning on each other about not wearing masks ....so that no one questions the actual point of opening the nightingale hospitals just to close them again .

This is an antidote to the hysteria.
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